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#51 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Ok.  So you guys have it wrong.  the 17 year old MURDERED somebody.  Then, the crowd chased him down to detain him for murder, then he shot somebody else to avoid detention and escaped. 


Interesting.


Do you have any evidence of this?  That the 17 year old fired his weapon at someone unprovoked, equating murder.

#52 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

Not something I want to get in to, but if a guy counter protesting at a protest with an AR15 gets mobbed maybe its because of the gun. Would he be mobbed if he wasn't carrying? Then the question is who is defending themselves. The mob from the crazy guy with the gun or vice versa?

I'm arguing for neither side, just showing how there can be multiple perspectives. These can be discussed without the need to personally attack anyone..... Buzz.

In this country, every citizen has a right to be armed.  And in nearly every state, you can carry openly.  I don't know what initiated this. If the kid aimed his rifle at anyone prior to being threatened, he's the aggressor.  But to answer your question, if anyone is standing there with a gun, no citizen has any right to assault them or try to remove that weapon.  Either act justifies lethal force in every state.  This isn't about people being scared and trying to stop a shooter, at least no evidence of that has been put forward.  Wisconsin allows open carry, so short of the 17 year old aiming his weapon at anyone, he was 100% within his rights.  To say nothing about how stupid it was for anyone to be there armed, let alone a minor.  But I also think the people peacefully protesting are morons and shouldn't be there when they know that there are many violent rioters in their ranks.

They don't get to have a different perspective, no more than you get to call my speech illegal in this country.  But in the EU, people go to jail for teaching their dog to give a nazi salute or identifying the ethnicity of a child rapist.  I'll take my American constitution any day of the week.

#53 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
misterID wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I saw this video, I'll search for others.  https://www.facebook.com/erecords/video … 9065045321

Attending a protest that you don't agree with, 20 minutes from where you live, with an AR-15.  Come on, guys searching for trouble. 17 year old playing paintball, quit defending him, he's a jerkoff.

If a mob charges me with bats, then someone jumps on top of me, hitting me with a skateboard, someone's getting smoked. End.

Yeah but would you goto a Michigan Ohio State game at Michigan in full fledged OSU colors, prancing around the tail gate talking smack to Michigan fans, then when one drunk chases you turn around & shoot him with an AR15?

You're comparing a football game to anarchists and opportunists burning down a city and attacking people they deem bad men?  That 17 year old had a legal right to be present, and open carry in Wi. Doesn't mean I support him, but Antifa types finally found someone looking for violence too.  They forgot life isn't a video game and not everyone with a gun has a Democratic mayor threatening to ruin their career if they defend life or property.  A violent mob is burning a city down, and you're outraged that another idiot showed up and dared the mob whose been terrorizing citizens for months to swing at him.  They did, and now they're dead.  The couple in St Louis was charged too, but anyone who knows anything about self defense and property law knows how that will turn out. 

I personally don't want any of it.  But we've had 90 days of far-left agitators calling for a revolution.  We've had them show up with assault rifles in nearly every city, but of note Austin and Louisville.  How long until right-wing idiots have had enough and are finally going to get their shot at manifesting their 3%er fantasies.  There's an armed mob who wants to "takeover" America.  So far they've been largely unscathed.  But now they're leaving the major cities and coming out to where scared suburbanites and country folk aren't going to run away or raise their arm in solidarity.  So now they're fulfilling the fantasy of every Soldier wannabe who is a lot more armed than the Antifa guy who bought his first AK last week (the idiot who got wasted in Austin).  And the Antifa types have been shitting on cops and injuring them the past 3 months.  What do you think the police will do when the far right nuts show up to take out the "commies" on the far left?  I'll answer for you; they're going to step aside and watch the people carrying the "ACAB" or "Defund The Police" get exactly what they've been daring the police to do.  And this is what you want and who you feel sorry for?

#54 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

lol, yeah George Floyd died of Fetanoyl not someone kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes. Come on. That'd be the worst court case ever. Might as well plead guilty before going that route.

Yea, I know you have your narrative, but the claim of a choke hold has never been proven.  Generally speaking, people in a carotid hold can't speak.  I know you want this to justify the violence, but what if the officer never applied a carotid hold?  What if you watched the videos and saw Floyd saying "I can't breathe" before officers put him in a restraint?  What if you saw Floyd actively resisting arrest and coming up with a million excuses why he shouldn't be arrested.  What if Floyd had COVID-19, methamphetamine, marijuana and lethal dose of fentanyl in his system?  There's a coroner's report stating as much and ample video evidence.

I agree, a carotid choke for 9 minutes is murder.  But I also know that after 7-10 seconds of a carotid choke, people pass out.  They don't moan for minutes.  I guess we'll have to wait for the jury and actual evidence to be provided, and not the claims of people who live 2k miles away from the scene. 

I'm glad your confident enough in your version of events that new evidence can't move you from your position.  It must feel good to know you're right without any consideration of why.

#55 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Rocky wrote:

Early reports are coming in that the violent mob tried to assault someone defending their store in Kenosha last night, and took 3 bullets for it.

17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse taken in on murder charges.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/kenos … index.html

some business owner, huh?   Guy thought it was a paintball game.


Did you see the video?  He was running away, was pushed down, and then the mob swarmed him.  He'll absolutely be let go.  You don't get to kick someone while they're down holding an AR-15.  He has a right to defend himself, a violent mob doesn't get to assault people because "reasons".  I'm sure you'll quickly ignore or forget the facts and outcome just as you showed us you had with Martin. 


Evidence just released that Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, supporting the original coroner's report he died of a heart attack.  That cop will be found not guilty as well, and the riots will commence.  Who needs facts when you have righteous indignation.

#56 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Rocky wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

It took me two second to find one of dozens of articles.

But you know what you’re gonna do now? We’re going to blast main stream media or reject my source or twist the meaning of the article to somehow mean it was all lies.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/far … 00137.html

There are so many more articles like this and if you haven’t found them by now then you are to blame, not me.


That's not what I asked.  How many of these riots are instigated by White Supremacy.  I specifically made mention of the major cities that have been in the news where the most violence occurred.  What cities are white supremacist responsible for?  Why do you feel the need to discuss them at every post yet never address the antifa or BLM that are on thousands of videos across the internet?  Who do you think is more culpable?  Please answer the question I asked of you, or admit you can't support your position.

Are you blaming these riots on the boogaloo boys?  I'm aware that the media has gone to great lengths to cover up the violence.  They're called peaceful every evening behind backdrops of wounded and fires.  Either support your statement that white supremacist are behind these riots, or just admit you can't.  There's no shame in being wrong.  Just when you can't admit you're wrong.

My statement is white supremacy groups like the boogaloo boys have played an increasing pivotal role. I assumed this was common knowledge at this point.

You want to talk about Antifa...we can talk about antifa...there reason I don't address them here is because they are always discussed in a negative light. Same with BLM...

I feel like Antifa is a greatly misused word to describe the people who are looting and commiting the violence. It's like China flu or kung fu flu....or one of the many new slang terms designed to assign blame right in the description.

Antifa participate in a number of ways. Both peaceful and not....BLM 'members' involve themselves in a number of ways both good and not so good.

Ok I grant you the message is getting lost in the violence but this thing has been a powder keg waiting to explode for way, way too long. No one is born wanting to destroy their communities or each other. These are actions of desperate people backed into a corner.


Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I appreciate your point of view. +1

#57 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Rocky wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

His very first post in this thread was an insult and no one did anything about it!


So can you defend you claim that got you called stupid, or are you going to ignore it so you can create more drama.  Please support evidence of your post, or just stop posting.  You're the poster who celebrated COVID-19.  You're the poster that claims to be an authority on race relations.  Please defend your claim that white supremacists are behind the riots, or just admit you're wrong.  Looking to PaSnow, who still pushes Russian Conspiracy theories, as a defender isn't helping your case.  James can read.  He can see your posts, others replying to it, and you doing exactly what you're doing here - ignoring your own posts and crying for someone to bail you out so you're not perceived as stupid, ignorant or uninformed.  For the last time, support your claim that started all of this, or just don't start the drama.  Either you're intelligent or you're not.  Either you're hear to cause drama, or you want to participate in a discussion.  So far you haven't been willing to justify or evidence your good faith argument.  I'm giving you an opportunity to prove all the mean people wrong.  Are you able to support your claim, or will you admit you're wrong?

It took me two second to find one of dozens of articles.

But you know what you’re gonna do now? We’re going to blast main stream media or reject my source or twist the meaning of the article to somehow mean it was all lies.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/far … 00137.html

There are so many more articles like this and if you haven’t found them by now then you are to blame, not me.


That's not what I asked.  How many of these riots are instigated by White Supremacy.  I specifically made mention of the major cities that have been in the news where the most violence occurred.  What cities are white supremacist responsible for?  Why do you feel the need to discuss them at every post yet never address the antifa or BLM that are on thousands of videos across the internet?  Who do you think is more culpable?  Please answer the question I asked of you, or admit you can't support your position.

Are you blaming these riots on the boogaloo boys?  I'm aware that the media has gone to great lengths to cover up the violence.  They're called peaceful every evening behind backdrops of wounded and fires.  Either support your statement that white supremacist are behind these riots, or just admit you can't.  There's no shame in being wrong.  Just when you can't admit you're wrong.

#58 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Rocky wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

His very first post in this thread was an insult and no one did anything about it!


So can you defend you claim that got you called stupid, or are you going to ignore it so you can create more drama.  Please support evidence of your post, or just stop posting.  You're the poster who celebrated COVID-19.  You're the poster that claims to be an authority on race relations.  Please defend your claim that white supremacists are behind the riots, or just admit you're wrong.  Looking to PaSnow, who still pushes Russian Conspiracy theories, as a defender isn't helping your case.  James can read.  He can see your posts, others replying to it, and you doing exactly what you're doing here - ignoring your own posts and crying for someone to bail you out so you're not perceived as stupid, ignorant or uninformed.  For the last time, support your claim that started all of this, or just don't start the drama.  Either you're intelligent or you're not.  Either you're hear to cause drama, or you want to participate in a discussion.  So far you haven't been willing to justify or evidence your good faith argument.  I'm giving you an opportunity to prove all the mean people wrong.  Are you able to support your claim, or will you admit you're wrong?

Ok Flagg.


Haha, burn! 

Who's Wagzilla btw, is that you, or is that Buzzsaw's alias profile too?


burn.

Yes, everyone who takes time to post and links their sources must be a Flagg alias.

#59 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Threads toast. Stick a fork in it. Thanks buzz for your constant "Reported".  weak.


Adios!

His very first post in this thread was an insult and no one did anything about it!


So can you defend you claim that got you called stupid, or are you going to ignore it so you can create more drama.  Please support evidence of your post, or just stop posting.  You're the poster who celebrated COVID-19.  You're the poster that claims to be an authority on race relations.  Please defend your claim that white supremacists are behind the riots, or just admit you're wrong.  Looking to PaSnow, who still pushes Russian Conspiracy theories, as a defender isn't helping your case.  James can read.  He can see your posts, others replying to it, and you doing exactly what you're doing here - ignoring your own posts and crying for someone to bail you out so you're not perceived as stupid, ignorant or uninformed.  For the last time, support your claim that started all of this, or just don't start the drama.  Either you're intelligent or you're not.  Either you're hear to cause drama, or you want to participate in a discussion.  So far you haven't been willing to justify or evidence your good faith argument.  I'm giving you an opportunity to prove all the mean people wrong.  Are you able to support your claim, or will you admit you're wrong?

#60 Re: The Garden » The new and God willing improved politics thread » 264 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Someone who takes a very different perspective easy is starting shit? Irish is right, and I’ll take it one step further. You people will not be happy until this place is an echo chamber for one dimensional believes.

You were the one that insults. You are the one.


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I'm hoping I get a reply to my question before you all demand the thread is shut down.  How about you not participate?  Those asking for this to be shut down are the ones who quite frankly don't contribute in any meaningful way.

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