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#611 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
James wrote:
misterID wrote:

People are looking back at progressive talking head tweets from last year and it's uniformly anti vax, and were predicting Trump's rush to get vaccines out was going to kill people. You can't make this up.

Yeah it's crazy.

Had Trump won the election, it would be the left bitching about vaccines and wanting everything wide open.

I'm also getting sick of the constant bitching about the right not getting the vaccine.

In most of these states, it's minorities that are refusing to get vaccinated. They don't bring this up because it goes against their narrative they've spent months crafting.

It's very telling how the talking point was "White Republicans are refusing to vaccinate" and when you look at the figures, it's clearly "Democratic" voters who are refusing the vaccine, but that's hidden from the discussion.

Google search 1 fitting the narrative
https://i.ibb.co/ZxxXfzz/White-Republicans.jpg

Google search 2 changing the demographic
https://i.ibb.co/LYvGyy6/Black.jpg

And here's the actual CDC numbers as of today:
https://i.ibb.co/q7tXqjw/Reality.jpg
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke … emographic

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh … t-liberal/
90% of Black Americans identify with the Democratic party.  You can't find a more reliable and historical slant towards an American political party in any other demographic group. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_ … n_politics
69% of Latinos identify with the Democratic party.

Interestingly, trying to get a hard answer on which way white voters go wasn't as easy as other demographics. Pew provided this:

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/ … ssay-0.png

and the NY Times election break down reports something very similar:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 … ident.html

https://i.ibb.co/584PZ7B/Times.jpg

I have no interests in labeling groupthink to any demographic, but facts are facts. 

Here is a video of Harris telling the world she wouldn't take a vaccine recommended by Trump in October 2020, during our 2nd waive, a month from the election.  For the record, both Moderna and Pfizer are those very vaccines achieved under Warp Speed.  I have no interest in attributing any of these vaccines to him, he simply nodded his head "yes" when asked if it could proceed. 

That was our VP telling half the country that voted for her that she doesn't think a vaccine created and approved under Trump -which both Pfizer and Moderna are. should be taken if Trump is the one telling you to get it.  And we have a media and mouth breathers going around blaming the Republican party and specifically white Republicans?  This is a clear example of politicizing this entire thing.  The current team can't baffle you with their brilliance.  They can't even get an infrastructure bill through congress because they've paid too much lip service to the AOC and Twitter crowd.  So they baffle you with bullshit, and making it racial is the only proven method the American left has of winning elections.

I forgot to add to the last post that I'd do RF's part....to turn, pivot and change the topic....

I remember a time when he was using CDC data to prove that Fauci and other medical professionals weren't to be trusted...

now he's simply using them to try to make me look stupid. Love that hindsight bias RF...never change....

These are truly MAGA moments....

#612 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

In case you guys forgot, Mitch is the guy who came here saying when he blew a tire and a stare trooper pulled over to help, he was worried the cop would shoot his infant son. After the cop changed his tire, Mitch literally said the police have never done anything for him. (Why a 30 year old man needed help changing a tire…)

Wow...you sure have a revisionist memory of all that. First, a tire didn't blow...but the sensor in the car was telling me that there was indeed something seriously wrong with the car. After pulling over, 5 minutes later a state highway rolls up (which I am grateful for). I inspected all 4 tires and found nothing wrong. I even took the air pressure and confirmed that there was no issue there.

I appreciate you're cute little shot at my manhood, though. Also, is it cool to take shots at the Dad of a mixed child who was worried about his future given the context of everything that happened last year? Maybe if you watched the George Floyd tape and actually had a son you might give shit about something other than your alpha male posturing.

If you’re expecting to engage with someone who has bothered to read anything other than the headlines of far left media outlets tailored to his algorithm, you’re only kidding yourself.

This guy said he didn’t know if he could protect his family if they were being murdered, as shooting someone attacking his wife gives him any pause.

Point being you’re not engaging with someone capable of expressing an opinion that remotely resonates with your average Joe.

Guys who think cops will shoot their infant or hesitate to protect their family don’t have the mental makeup that is relatable to anyone but far left Twitter where white men flog themselves for shit their ancestors did 300 years ago.

If you think you're the average Joe...you're sadly mistaken. If you think it makes you a man because you have a dozen guns, you are sadly mistaken. Aren't you also the guy who said George Floyd deserved what he got until you saw the tape? Aren't you also the guy that said Breonna Taylor deserved what she got because she was dating a drug dealer?

The hubris of the alpha is why I will never, ever be a follower. It is never the alpha male that is wrong. It is weak, white liberals who are cuck boys right? We have doubled so far down on all these stupid ass, waste of money drug enforcement policies that it is now justifiable to kill anyone suspected to be on drugs, near drugs or in the near physical proximate location of drugs.

Someone who tells us we deserve Covid for voting for Trump isn’t someone you’re going to have any meaningful discussion with.

We do deserve what we get for putting that man in power. All that matters to that man is money, his fame and his barnum and bailey style circus he brings with him everywhere he goes. Everything that man touches eventually turns to shit. Did he get the economy churning by using a cute combination of massive deficit spending and lowering taxes for the rich and corporations...you bet. How long did you think that was going to last? Pandemic or not.

#613 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

James wrote:
misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Why would this be the stake in the heart? Your boy Desantis is overseeing a shit storm in Florida and everyone is anointing him the new king of the Republican party.

People are looking back at progressive talking head tweets from last year and it's uniformly anti vax, and were predicting Trump's rush to get vaccines out was going to kill people. You can't make this up.

Yeah it's crazy.

Had Trump won the election, it would be the left bitching about vaccines and wanting everything wide open.

I'm also getting sick of the constant bitching about the right not getting the vaccine.

In most of these states, it's minorities that are refusing to get vaccinated. They don't bring this up because it goes against their narrative they've spent months crafting.

The stat I keep seeing is about 20% of Republicans refuse to get the shot while about 6% of Democrats refuse...nationally. It's not that hard to believe is it?

#614 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

See.... this is exactly what I'm talking about.

You're ignoring the Covid sins of Cuomo....who Dems were anointing as the new King by the way....yet attacking Desantis.

For starters.... Cuomo's situation is worse. He was doing this shit while writing and releasing a book about how amazing he was during the crisis....and the media lapped it up.

The excuse now is, "Cuomo had no easy decisions".

Why isn't that excuse used for Desantis or someone else? Is it over partisan hackery or because Cuomo is only responsible for killing old people?

Pick one.

I have from the beginning of all this have tried to give governors and states with huge cities and huge population centers the benefit of the doubt. That includes DeSantis. My problem with him and with most Republican governors is that they straddled this stupid fence of.....'we know nothing' or 'there's no use in trying anything' or criticizing vaccines while quietly implementing the policies and getting the vaccines. I've always been interested in Ohio's Republican govenrors of late...DeWine probably took the hardest stance on the pandemic and even he had to water things down and placate to a moronic base of Trump sycophants. I've said it before and I'll say it again...if Kasich had received the nomination he likely would have had a serious shot at my vote.

The Republican governors of places like South Dakota or Idaho, who gave no fucks about the situation, don't get a pass.

Back to the original point....it seems like you're more than willing to criticize Cuomo but not nearly as much DeSantis. Riddle me that. Cuomo is dead in the water nationally. DeSantis is not.

I see this a lot on Reddit, the old....

All the liberals understand it and it's a good thing. It's everyone else that's too stupid to comprehend it.


They're gonna have to issue new talking points because this no longer works anymore. It became a losing issue for Dems the moment little kids and a handful of teachers risked being canceled by admitting this has infiltrated the elementary level.

That's no what I'm saying...I'm saying there is a significant group of voters in our population who refuse to even consider it or base their understanding on a few Tucker Carlson talking points and outright reject it.

The gender quackery is getting bad too....

Some of these schools are now telling kids to keep secrets from their parents. 

Remember when the world was normal and you were supposed to tell your parents everything? That was wrong....now secrets are good.

People talk about the right focusing too much on the culture wars yet will give a pass to shit like this.

This has to be the extreme minority of situations...what school would want to take on that liability?

Biden poll numbers.....

So you're telling me low poll numbers are a good thing now? You do remember that Trump lost with those numbers.

Trump's highest polling numbers came in the first months of his term. He never got there again. If he had, he'd still be presdient.

#616 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

The midterms were going to be an uphill battle, and this is most likely the stake in the heart.

Why would this be the stake in the heart? Your boy Desantis is overseeing a shit storm in Florida and everyone is anointing him the new king of the Republican party.

My boy?

Mitch, this is your problem, I'm liberal on a lot of issues and have voted democrat. Whenever someone opposes some progressive talking point you agree with, you instantly jump out with conservative! Trumper! FOX news! And whatever insult you want to throw out. Democrats are losing liberals, not woke progressives, but tried and true liberals, because of this social justice bullshit. That should concern you. Critical race theory is a scam. People are making a shitload of money off it. It's also racist. Many black liberals reject it. As for Desantis, I can see how the dems and the media propped up Cuomo and tried to destroy Desantis. They were wrong. That's not a Republican/Democrat thing.

People are looking back at progressive talking head tweets from last year and it's uniformly anti vax, and were predicting Trump's rush to get vaccines out was going to kill people. You can't make this up.

Isn't he your governor? That's what I mean by 'your boy.'

#617 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

The thing that may save Biden and his Dems if they stick to it will be his handling of the pandemic. By the mid-terrms, which are still 18 months away, Co-vid should be in the rear view mirror. This is the area his poll numbers are the best.

That being said...I think he has other major problems from the public perception standpoint. I still contend that the average voter doesn't know shit about shit and doesn't care to know. I also contend that those that claim to be the most informed are mostly informed with sources of some sort of bias. The perception to me is 6 months in, nothing of real substance has been accomplished there has been much a-do about nothing regarding the 'bi-partisan' nature of the infrastructure talks. Whatever bullshit that's been accomplished to this point (bi-partisan or not) has had little or no effect on the average person.

Personally, I feel like he's been a president to this point who stepped into the batters box and is just hoping and praying for a walk. He doesn't (or hasn't to this point) even wanted to take a real swing.

As far as the mid-terms, I feel like the Dems should be less worried about the Senate than the house. Due to the luck of the draw, I see it being quite reasonable that they extend their majorities to 51 or 52 especially if Ron Johnson doesn't run again in Wisconsin. I can tell you from experience that Wisconsinites don't like this abrasive style he's taken on...and his constant spreading of misinformation has made him seem a lot more like Trump who lost Wisconsin. If the dems can pick a bland, older white guy to run for that spot in Wisconsin, I think they pick it up.

Here's where it gets a bit more complicated...an analysis of the house races in 2020 shows that an astounding number of them were decided by less than 1%. Still more, an even more impressive number were decided by 1-3%.

Biden is shaping up to be a one term pres. His poll rating is at a record low

His record low would still be a Trump high and everyone was extremely confident he could easily beat Biden. The calmness and rather blaze 6 months since Biden has take office is exactly what I needed and I think what this country needed. Will it be enough in the mid-terms in 18 months? I doubt it.

They've also fucked up with the critical race theory situation.

The real problem with critical race theory is that for every one person that is willing to truly grasp what it means and at least attempt to grasp it, you have 5 people who are motivated to speak out against it without every really knowing what it is or it's all about. You just had a group of people who ate up Trump's misinformation about everything...this same group of people think America has never done any wrong, can do no wrong and will never do any wrong.

In short, it costs votes. As really any new idea does...especially one that is seen as critical of this country. Critical race theory is increasing enthusiasm and engagement from detractors and opposers than it adds to the Democratic base. At least in the short term.

#618 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

The midterms were going to be an uphill battle, and this is most likely the stake in the heart.

Why would this be the stake in the heart? Your boy Desantis is overseeing a shit storm in Florida and everyone is anointing him the new king of the Republican party.

#619 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

Antifa will riot again. Mark my words, buildings will burn, people will die. You can count on it. See how that works?



omg...is this for real? black bloc is a technique not a group.



lol...ok....in order to support Trump you have to drape yourself in his name and all his gear made in China. MAGA



Oh god....someone's been watching a ton of Fox News again...Antifa subscribe to a violent methodology but Trump supporters who force themselves into congress to prevent an election certification are peaceful? Tell ya what...since we're just gonna slap everyone on the wrist and pretend like this didn't happen...wouldn't that just embolden the boogeyman? Antifa could go and kill everyone based on the precedent the Trumpers laid for them.

There's a checklist of things...the more you check off...the more likely you are a white supremacist. It usually starts with an accusation that if you're a democrat, you must be lazy and unemployed. Drives through patriarchy and ends with American flags as your profie pic and an argument over whether Ford or Chevy is better....

Holy shit, the ignorance on display here. Black Bloc is a radical Brazilian group spoiled white progressives appropriated. You go back to the FOX News (lolz) stuff, yet you're the one reciting left wing talking points verbatim.

Everything you put here is a lie. You're literally making up arguments no one is making. I know you've admitted to having mental/emotional issues regarding politics, but damn, stop taking in propaganda and you might actually be able to have a rational conversation.

Ok ID….now we’re talking about a secret group of Brazilian white progressives.

Listen…if you want to keep playing pretend come over to my house and play with my kids so i don’t have to….

Jesus fucking  Christ….

#620 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 269 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

No one is minimalizing anything, just refuting your narrative it was a "coup". 

Coup - "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force."

It's also perfectly reasonable to point out that a "coup" (i'm using this in the same manner you were) was launched against the President of the United States with many more rioters, whom was forced into a security bunker.  It's also fair to point out that Democratic leaders stood in solidarity and knelt with the leaders of the "coup" a day after it happened.  2 billion dollars in damage was caused by the George Floyd inspired riots last year.  25 people were killed.  And one political party chose to have the leaders of this group share their stage at their national convention, and people like you denied any of this occurred (and apparently are still denying it).

If you don't understand why allowing 2 billion in property damage, riots in State Capitol Buildings (https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2020/05 … floyd.html), and countless violent assaults and 25 deaths resulted in a bunch of idiots rioting in the poorly guarded Capitol, there's nothing to discuss.  You want the narrative to be completely about January 6th, want to embellish what occurred on January 6th, and use it to justify a bunch of behaviors and laws your party and its leaders decried a few weeks earlier.  You can't feign outrage when people who have put more effort into educating themselves on what's been going on since Memorial day 2020 opine and consider events you refuse to acknowledge if not outright deny.

Dude…i don’t acknowledge too many of the alleged ‘facts’ the make up the foundation of f your point of view.

You choose the sources that you believe in…i don’t give them credence. I especially don’t understand why you would both shit on the same  media sources that you simultaneously use to support your arguments. Which is it?

You refused to acknowledge the involvement of right wing groups like that boogaloo boys and others’ involvement in what happened last summer because it simply doesn’t fit your narrative. It’s a clever thing the right has gotten away with…labeling their disorganized and feckless enemies into one category….antifa. It’s an extremely vague word and intentionally so. Anyone that disagrees with Trump is antifa…anyone that gets in the rights way is antifa.

If you refuse to acknowledge all the players in what happened last summer then I’ve got nothing for ya.

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