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#671 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy is out(?) » 556 weeks ago
Yes, I have a firm grasp on the most basic understanding of the English language, and you clearly do not. I'm also under zero obligation to accommodate your peculiar emotional issues, which apparently manifests itself via frivolous arguments over trivial non-sense with strangers online. Perhaps that's how you work out the kinks of your distressed little ego, but I'm not here to be your therapist...sorry.
Why so hostile?
We simply view his comments differently in the current situation. IMHO, you're wholly entitled to your viewpoint and I had hoped I made myself clear on that. I have little interest to try and persuade you to think any different about the matter than you do now, as you're the man in your own life and choose what you want to believe, just like everyone else.
Should more evidence arise to point out that Tommy's out without a chance of coming back, I'm more than willing to accept the case as such and will go on from there. Meanwhile, your allegations about my character come out as pretty left-field, as I never intended to 'debunk' your opinion, merely expressed my two cents.
If you felt I was out to bait you or to split hairs, I apologize. My intention was merely to point out why I feel differently about the matter than you. At the end of the day, we both speculate, as only time will tell and stranger things have happened in Guns land.
Seriously, get a life.
That's really less than cool. C'mon, man.
#672 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy is out(?) » 556 weeks ago
just don't understand why you are splitting hairs as a means to deny/pivot/speculate what this man said. It's plain English, right out of his mouth.
Well, I guess we have to agree that we disagree in how we interpret his words.
“I didn’t quit the gig or walk away from it.” -src
But please, carry on.
#673 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy is out(?) » 556 weeks ago
The dude says he is out of the band. So in that sense, he's currently out of the band.
A band which is currently doing squat. If they'd pay him a retainer like they used to, he'd still be "in" the band, eh?
The rest is pure speculation on what may happen later, which frankly, is irrelevant. According to Tommy, he is out of the band. The end.
If you want to gloat over it, fine. That's your prerogative. Just saying, you should go the whole nine yards and say everyone (excusing perhaps Ax & Pitman) is out of the band.
Following that logic, you'd be right.
I think that my guess is...that at some point someone is going to call me and tell me what's up with that.
He's waiting to hear whether he has a job to go back to, if he so chooses. But he seems fine either way.
With Guns, it's an endless drama. 
#674 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy is out(?) » 556 weeks ago
I don't know why anybody would question would he said. If you speak and understand English, it's clear that he is not currently with GnR, IE he's out.
What's certain is that none of the band are currently on retainer, as was the case in between '02-'06. In that sense, he's out. Whether he's out for good is another matter. Even Tommy himself is in doubt about that.
I know it's tempting to draw the conclusion that he's out on a permanent basis with Ron and DJ having left. However, apples and oranges. Ron made his dislike over the Guns way of things known well before he left.
"It seems like the running gag was, 'Hey, if you want GUNS N' ROSES to hit the road, all you have to do is book your own tour. And they'll [GUNS N' ROSES] book one at the same exact time and you'll have to cancel yours.' And it reached a point where we got so busy with the [GUNS N' ROSES] touring that I just wasn't able to plan anything...
It's, like, you book something with booking agents and promoters, and their biggest concern is that you're gonna cancel because GUNS is gonna book something, and then you do that, they're gonna be very reluctant to wanna book again, 'cause they're worried about the same thing happening...
Also, the rest of humanity tends to plan things in advance where GUNS N' ROSES tends to plan things the day before. So it's really tough. We could be planning something [for my solo project] for next April, and then GUNS will book something March 31 for April, and all your plans are just… Suddenly you're in this situation where you have to choose...
We had this tour [booked for my solo project] in January/February that I changed for GUNS stuff in December and January and then that stuff got canceled. And all the changes were for nothing, and the changes came at a very big loss. And it also came at a detriment to my name.
If I'm gonna be painted into a corner where I have to choose between being in GUNS N' ROSES and the entire rest of my life, and if they're not willing to help me keep the two functioning well together, then I'm out. So hopefully they're willing to do that. And I've reached out a few days ago and I'm just waiting to hear back.
DJ saw a career happening with Sixx AM, while with Guns, he'd be looking at playing more Robin's gtr parts on CD2 songs, with nominal input in the recording process. Both chose their own careers, albeit for slightly different reasons.
Tommy knows he can balance out The Mats shows with Guns. He has the most qualified understudy in the world. He also knows Guns is the biggest gig he's ever likely to get. Commercially, he can only step down. Just saying, his overall situation is different from Ron and DJ.
Then again, Duff may well join the band on the next run.
I think Axl / Finck / Fortus / Duff / Frank / Dizzy / Pitman would be a very interesting lineup 
#675 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy is out(?) » 556 weeks ago
The takeaway is that Tommy had issues in his personal life that needed his immediate attention after Vegas. Otherwise, it's more or less in line with what he said earlier.
Basically, I played my last gig in Las Vegas with them and had to come home and tend to that the best I could... It has nothing to do with Axl or any of that stuff. It had more to do with my personal situation... I had to walk away and take care of my stuff.
“I didn’t quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in Vegas.” -src
My guess is... that at some point someone is going to call me and tell me what's up with that... We've left on friendly terms it not like a bad thing.
“I reach out once in a while to that crew of people — a lot of whom are also my good friends — but I really have no idea what’s going on.” -src
The way I read it, he chose to focus on other things for a while and is now in the dark re: Guns.
It's a bit silly that he's been in the band for 17 years and, apparently, his boss still evades a direct phone conversation.
#676 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 556 weeks ago
So Pitman is the modern day Izzy
It's certainly surprising, but it seems to be the case. Paul Huge was touted as 'the next guy' and he did contribute a lot to CD. However, he mainly wrote the tunes, worked on the arrangements and played gtr.
Pitman's array of credits eclipses everyone, incl. Axl. He is the multi-instrumentalist / studio guy, so Axl hanging out with him in the studio and socially certainly suggests they're going through some CD2 tracks in their leisurely pace.
#677 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 556 weeks ago
Well, what IS Axl working on?
You've got the, reportedly, 20-odd leftovers from CD or you've got the reunion.
Is there newer material, post-CD, say post Finck for lack of a better date, that I'm unaware of?
The leftovers, with some newer songs.
“We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,” Rose says. “We’ve worked more on some of those things and we’ve written a few new things." - Axl, Revolver, 06/14
"DJ and I've worked on stuff... that we've come in from nothing, and some of the stuff is... ideas that were already there." - Fortus, Gtr workshop, 11/14
"All the stuff on Chinese Democracy, when that was recorded and created, it's all from that same period of time. And there's newer stuff as well." - Dizzy, Loudwire, 09/15
I rearranged some of Pitman's (co-)credits into something more readable. While he plays keys and sub bass literally throughout the album, he's also heavily invested in individual songs in a production capacity.
If the World (Rose, Pitman)
Initial & Additional production. Digital Editing. Arrangement.
12 string Guitar, Bass, Sub bass, MPC Drums/Drum programming, Keyboards, String Machine.
There Was A Time (Rose, Tobias, Reed)
Additional production. Orchestral arrangement.
Bass (additional), Sub bass, Drum programming, Keyboards, Mellotron, Background Vocals, Synth Orchestra.
Madagascar (Rose, Pitman)
Initial & Additional production. Digital Editing. Arrangement, Drum arrangement, Orchestral arrangement.
Bass, Sub bass, Drum programming, Keyboards.
This I Love (Rose)
Digital Editing. Additional arrangement.
Sub bass, Keyboards, Additional synth orchestra.
I believe he even wrote tunes with Axl on acoustic guitar back in the day. It all adds up to him having been a low-key but integral part of the CD production.
#678 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dissecting Chinese Democracy: Track 13 - This I Love » 556 weeks ago
Curiously,
TIL lacks any Sean Beavan involvement. Chances are, it was originally dusted off for that Robin Williams movie, What Dreams May Come, before he arrived. The version we got was then put into the running after Beavan left.
Apparently, it was always excluded from his album, the original CD.
#679 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 556 weeks ago
There's a fail-safe in the system.
Someone might remind Trump what happened to Gore. 
#680 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Axl friends again? » 557 weeks ago
Made sense, to me, but maybe a BS rumor?? I don't think we have anything other than internet chatter to back it up.
It happens.
Beta was thrown out of the house when she was caught having met and conversed with Doug Goldstein in early 2009. Dougie had even written a letter of apology, muchly dictated by Beta. The whole thing was a power struggle between Beta and Azoff's Front Line Management.
In the past, Axl has fired people when crossed. He fired the Josh Freese -era band several times and re-hired them by the next day.
