In other words, they have not turned the record over to the label. Common sense tells you that. If they are negotiating, then they are not gonna give them the album until the deal is completely done. A few articles simply took it upon themselves to say the record was turned in-no credible sources for that. Beta said the album was done, NOT handed in. You don't give them the only bargaining chip you have.:laugh:

wow....can't say I disagree with one word in your post.

Axl tried to take over because Izzy was gone and he knew it was a sinking ship. His best buddy left and his other two friends were complete junkies. Not a very stable environment for making a record.

Listen, I don't understand how they do it either (industry wide) and I agree that Slash should have definitely got something for Estranged. Jorge, my words on Coma and Locomotive were a bit over the top because those are obviously great great rock instrumentals-two of my all time favs. But, I love the effects and lyrics that Axl put to Coma. I truly think it was his shining moment lyrically. And, I just love it when those chicks are bitchin at him and then the last one goes "I love You." Being a Pink Floyd fan as well, I dig over the top production and effects.....sometimes!:peace:

the record stands as is. I am listening to Whipping Post right now by the Allman Brothers. It is credited to Gregg Allman only because he wrote the song and had the basic idea for it. However, the song obviously needs the guitar licks of Duane and Dickey to make it what it is.In the writing credit process, lyrics and melodies hold more weight than the instrumental. It is just a fact of the industry and is not specific to Axl Rose and Gnr. Everything just seems to be some big conspiracy that Axl stole everything from the rest of the band. It is silly and it is permeating every post in every thread these days.