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#721 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I mocked the possibility of more referendums but maybe that's what needs to be done. God we live in a strange world.


It wouldn't even have to come to that if our MP's (Members of Parliament) reject or repeal the bill. Referendums are not legally binding in the UK - hell the UK doesn't even have a constitution where referendums & majority rule on binary choices are protected by the law. All it would take would be for the representatives of the people to act. I say "all" like it's not a big deal, obviously it is a big deal & it's unlikely they would ever go against the wishes of the majority who voted. But to further complicate matters, the overwhelming majority of MP's were pro-EU & remain so in effect if they do pass the motion in Parliament they will have voted against their own wishes.

Today has just brought further recriminations & divisions. We're still in a state of confusion: we've effectively no government since Cameron's announced his resignation, his party have to have a leadership contest. The opposition are in dire straits, revolting against their own leader. & the people who were campaigning for Brexit are finally crawling out from the rocks they were hiding behind only to spout further lies & renege again on the promises they made in the campaign.
All the while xenophobic & racist attacks are already reportedly on the rise while the rest of us bicker amongst ourselves.


John Donne
Meditation 17
Devotions upon Emergent Occasions

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

#722 Re: Guns N' Roses » 26/6/16 FEDEX FIELD, WASHINGTON, DC UNITED STATES » 541 weeks ago

What was attendance like? Top deck/nosebleeds seemed to be closed. Imagine a Sunday night show is a tough sell..
Start time was outrageously early. Maybe given it was a Sunday. Not my cup of tea that..

#723 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 541 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

So how do you guys think this season will end?

My guess is Cersei will burn down part of King's Landing with wild fire, killing Tommen by mistake.

The town will turn to chaos as the King is dead an no successor is apparent. This would be a good time for Varys to fulfill his book plot when he returned to King's Landing, adding to the Chaos.

I don't think Dany will return to King's Landing this season, as I believe she'll get there after the event I think will happen during the last scene. I believe her first time in King's Landing will be just like in her vision.

Jon and Sansa will be at Winterfell, having defeated Ramsay. The Northern Houses will quickly support Sansa's role as Lady of the North, as I think Rickon dies. Little finger will be there to influence Sansa, having obtained influence in the North and East.  Jon will have to decide what's next, realizing the Others are marching South. This will separate him from Sansa, concluding their time together. Jon will make a statement to the fact he's just a bastard, his place is out there.

We'll break to Bran who will for some reason will complete the Tower of Joy scene, revealing Jon's true parentage and answering the question who should be king, giving the audience the answer to who Jon is and where he should be. The show's wonky on travel time, but I can't see Bran making it any further than the Wall this season. While there, Bran will sense the Nights King who will have his entire Army glaring at the Wall. The season will end with The Wall crashing down and all of Westeros exposed.


Pretty good. Some hits.

#724 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 541 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

I didn't really give a shit about Ramsay in the show...I fuckin hated Joffery

I loved them both. C'mon, I know you loved Joffrey too. That kid was great. Probably his life is ruined now tho cause most of the world hated his character. He brought some much needed comic relief to kings landing, something it's sorely missing since his unfortunate demise.

#725 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 541 weeks ago

Aye Sansa shoulda shacked up with my mate littlefinger.. Hopefully after the dust has settled he gets all he wants, the iron throne & some ginger stark pussy.

Thought Lena headley was p sexy this episode for some reason..

Wow r+l=j! Fuck!


& yea varys appearing on the ship was fucking BRILLIANT, + arya & jamies travel times. It's like they have a quick travel button on their maps..

What a total mess of a show. Still great fun. Episode was kinda slooooooow in places despite quite a bit happening?? but sure only episode 9 ever rocks the whole way thru.


Woulda liked to have seen the white walkers at the wall but sure can't have everything. Glad winter is finally fucking here after half a decade of it coming.


Also lyanna wasn't hot enough. & the dork playing ned was an annoying fit for such a moment.

#726 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 541 weeks ago

This little Mormons girl's speech is as gay as fuck as this shows ever been. Haha that was so shit! Great stuff.

#727 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago

I'm sure plenty of opportunists will see the tactics that proved successful here & try and mimic them for their own personal gains i.e. blame the EU for problems their own governments created.

We're in a bad way. The west is in upheaval. We've let the rich divide and conquer.
History, if we make it that far, will judge us poorly.

#728 Re: The Garden » EURO 2016 Thread » 541 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Then why do you call it the British Isles? 13


Some people do, some people don't. The Irish government don't recognise it.

It doesn't mean anything to me, just a short hand for geography. But it means something to people. Words carry weight, mate.

#729 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago

A Private Eye wrote:

I've seen the following popping up a bit, it was originally posted in the Guardian comments section by a known anti Brexit blogger and it makes interesting reading. Part speculation and guess work of course, on what next and the political manoeuvring that may follow but I think it makes some fair assumptions. As Divney said these are politically fascinating times, I just wish they weren't mine.

Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.


The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Perhaps wishful thinking but it makes some interesting points.

It was a crafty move from Cameron (what was it he said let someone else sort out the shit or something?).

This certainly has gained some traction, even if it is somewhat wishful thinking.

Boris & Gove were certainly sheepish - their subdued behaviour certainly wasn't that typical of winners, & their immediate reluctance to push the button does give space for the wishful thinking & hope to prosper.

But I would be wary of underestimating the desire certain people have or will have for wanting to trigger article 50. Between now & the Tory conference the spin doctors will be working to sell it. & personal ambition may trump whatever negative implications being the man or woman to trigger article 50. We're looking at it from the point of view of dropping a bomb but others might view it as.. Well as dropping a bomb. Some people think it's a good thing! Ian Duncan Smith is like a pig in shit. But there's nothing new there I guess.

I'm just not sold on this notion that it means political hari kari, especially if they can spin it between now & October. I mean, in reality it clearly does, it is a poisoned chalice, but if this referendum has taught us anything it's that they can manipulate the story to suit their own short term interests.
Say if between now & the leadership decision they change the story as effectively as they have done this past 6 months, people will be demanding someone trigger it, and that has to be attractive to these people in the short term. I don't think they'll fear this article 50 too much to shy away from it, I can see them embracing it sadly.

Hopefully by tomorrow the brexiters will have finally created some semblance of a plan, so we can get some clarity on their position. Cause atm they've gone awol.

#730 Re: The Garden » EURO 2016 Thread » 541 weeks ago

A Private Eye wrote:

Germany showing how it's done.

An early goal against a team that just wants to defend and frustrate you makes such a difference.

They're so boring in their efficancy tho!
England might be properly boring to watch sometimes but at least it causes some consternation & controversy. Germany just tick along without any real ups or downs. Who really wants to live like that?!
It gets to that stage where they don't really even know he value of what it means to win anymore, they just take it for granted. They don't know how to hurt either. Boring bastards!

I mean, there must be a small part of you that actually wishes England lose tomorrow just to see the reaction? 14 It would be worth it alone for the press response. Brexit would be small potatoes to getting knocked out by Iceland.

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