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#791 The Garden » Nasa plans moon crash » 950 weeks ago

Gunslinger
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Kind of reminds you of the Time Machine (where the lead character goes forward in time and finds out man has blown up the moon) in a way.  Even though this is much less serious it still kind of gave me a chill up my spine when first reading the headliine.

   

NASA Takes Aim at Moon with Double Sledgehammer Jeremy Hsu
Staff Writer
SPACE.com
2 hours, 5 minutes ago

Scientists are priming two spacecraft to slam into the moon's South Pole to see if the lunar double whammy reveals hidden water ice.


The Earth-on-moon violence may raise eyebrows, but NASA's history shows that such missions can yield extremely useful scientific observations.


"I think that people are apprehensive about it because it seems violent or crude, but it's very economical," said Tony Colaprete, the principal investigator for the mission at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif.


NASA's previous Lunar Prospector mission detected large amounts of hydrogen at the moon's poles before crashing itself into a crater at the lunar South Pole. Now the much larger Lunar Crater and Observation Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) mission, set for a February 2009 moon crash, will take aim and discover whether some of that hydrogen is locked away in the form of frozen water.


LCROSS will piggyback on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) mission for an Oct. 28 launch atop an Atlas 5 rocket equipped with a Centaur upper stage. While the launch will ferry LRO to the moon in about four days, LCROSS is in for a three-month journey to reach its proper moon smashing position. Once within range, the Centaur upper stage doubles as the main 4,400 pound (2,000 kg) impactor spacecraft for LCROSS.


The smaller Shepherding Spacecraft will guide Centaur towards its target crater, before dropping back to watch - and later fly through - the plume of moon dust and debris kicked up by Centaur's impact. The shepherding vehicle is packed with a light photometer, a visible light camera and four infrared cameras to study the Centaur's lunar plume before it turns itself into a second impactor and strikes a different crater about four minutes later.


"This payload delivery represents a new way of doing business for the center and the agency in general," said Daniel Andrews, LCROSS project manager at Ames, in a statement. "LCROSS primarily is using commercial-off-the-shelf instruments on this mission to meet the mission's accelerated development schedule and cost restraints."


Figuring out the final destinations for the $79 million LCROSS mission is "like trying to drive to San Francisco and not knowing where it is on the map," Colaprete said. He and other mission scientists hope to use observations from LRO and the Japanese Kaguya (Selene) lunar orbiter to map crater locations before LCROSS dives in.


"Nobody has ever been to the poles of the moon, and there are very unique craters - similar to Mercury - where sunlight doesn't reach the bottom," Colaprete said. Earth-based radar has also helped illuminate some permanently shadowed craters. By the time LCROSS arrives, it can zero in on its 19 mile (30 km) wide targets within 328 feet (100 meters).


Scientists want the impactor spacecraft to hit smooth, flat areas away from large rocks, which would ideally allow the impact plume to rise up out of the crater shadows into sunlight. That in turn lets LRO and Earth-based telescopes see the results.


"By understanding what's in these craters, we're examining a fossil record of the early solar system and would occurred at Earth 3 billion years ago," Colaprete said. LCROSS is currently aiming at target craters Faustini and Shoemaker, which Colaprete likened to "fantastic time capsules" at 3 billion and 3.5 billion years old.


LCROSS researchers anticipate a more than a 90 percent chance that the impactors will find some form of hydrogen at the poles. The off-chance exists that the impactors will hit a newer crater that lacks water - yet scientists can learn about the distribution of hydrogen either way.


"We take [what we learn] to the next step, whether it's rovers or more impactors," Colaprete said.


This comes as the latest mission to apply brute force to science.


The Deep Impact mission made history in 2005 by sending a probe crashing into comet Tempel 1. Besides Lunar Prospector's grazing strike on the moon in 1999, the European Space Agency's Smart-1 satellite dove more recently into the lunar surface in 2006.


LCROSS will take a much more head-on approach than either Lunar Prospector or Smart-1, slamming into the moon's craters at a steep angle while traveling with greater mass at 1.6 miles per second (2.5 km/s). The overall energy of the impact will equal 100 times that of Lunar Prospector and kick up 1,102 tons of debris and dust.


"It's a cost-effective, relatively low-risk way of doing initial exploration," Colaprete said, comparing the mission's approach to mountain prospectors who used crude sticks of dynamite to blow up gully walls and sift for gold. Scientists are discussing similar missions for exploring asteroids and planets such as Mars.


Nevertheless, Colaprete said they "may want to touch the moon a bit more softly" after LCROSS has its day.

#792 Re: The Sunset Strip » Overrated Bands » 950 weeks ago

I have to agree with the Beatles and The Stones being overrated.

The Beatles to me were the kings of the "jingle".  It's not that they don't deserve credit but most of their music reminds me of the jingle for any given commercial advertising anything from cereals to underwear.  Catchy stuff but for the most part nothing of real substance.

The Stones are a little tougher call.  I don't like a great deal of their songs but I like enough to say they have did some solid work.  Oddly enough I like many of the remakes of their songs better than the originals.  They are definitely a good group and have without doubt earned their name in rock history, I just wouldn't put them as high on the list as most would.

#793 Re: The Garden » Scientists predict the end of the world » 950 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

What about 2012 tongue

I've heard that several times.  Wasn't this first predicted by an Egyptian astrologer?

No, the Mayans predicted it 5000 years ago. Based on the cycles of the stars they marked down different cosmic events, or at least they had the information. Those guys had knowledge about the stars we're just starting to find out.

There will be a very special star alignment on 21/12/2012, only happens once every 10.000 years.

Some say Doomsday, some say pole shift, some say nothing.

The government seems to think something big will happen. Underground bases are being built non-stop all around the world. Me I think it'll be a shift in consciousness/evolution.

We'll know soon enough.

Thanks Polluxlm, that is correct.  I had forgotten and as soon as I read your first sentence I remembered everything.  That was a fascinating culture (the Mayans), their celestial knowledge was truly amazing.

I personally don't think anything is going to happen on 12/21/2012 however, outside of your basic nutballs getting worked up like "they" did when the year 2000 came in without incident.

#794 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Video Game Console Thread » 950 weeks ago

CrimeSlunkScene wrote:

The PS3 haven't "even" passed ten million units at this point (the information that was sent out in early february was about ten million shipped units - not sold), while the Wii has sold well over 20 million worldwide during one single year, which is more than the GameCube sold in its entire lifetime. While the XBOX 360 is stuck at 12-15 million sold units at this point.

Sony will kick Microsoft off the chart in 2008.

Nintendo? Not a chance. They're in another league.

With that being said, the console I enjoy most at the time is my PS3 - games like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and Ratchet & Clank should be enough of motivation for anyone to buy the damn thing. They're incredible.

Good post. I agree, Nintendo is hard to even pretend to be "touchable" by ANY other platform maker.  The PS3 will erase the Xbox 360 eventually (I predict a HUGE shift in sales by third-fourth quarter in favor of PS3) but I'm actually very glad the Xbox 360 did so well.  It gave competition to Sony to make better software and also it is an AMERICAN COMPANY...fuck yeah.  The PS3 will win but I must say the successor to the Xbox 360 will be very interesting.

#795 Re: The Garden » The Nothing Thread » 950 weeks ago

Pride&Glory wrote:

There is flu outbreak dude.. A lot of my friends have it. I never get sick so I am banking on that.

Man I'm hoping not...still doing ok right now.  I never get sick either (big ass knock on wood) but I've been up and down with this damned thing.  Felt good today but my sinuses are going crazy tonight like DTJ was talking about.  I'm gonna catch a buzz and get some sleep ...fuck it.

#796 Re: The Garden » Scientists predict the end of the world » 950 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

What about 2012 tongue

I've heard that several times.  Wasn't this first predicted by an Egyptian astrologer?

#797 Re: The Garden » Scientists predict the end of the world » 950 weeks ago

I agree that we should have fully realized the potential of colonizing other planets by then.  It has always fascinated me of our (the human existence/condition) unbelievable egos.  We fancy to believe that other planets in the galaxies are merely for our visual amusement instead of actually being there "for a reason".  It is the same sort of thing we do with our beliefs that things like "global warming" are all due to man.  Yes we pollute and waste far too much but cycles happen that are not of our doing.  Our existence is much more important in our own minds to the "nature of things" than it is in reality.  If we don't colonize other planets it is because our egos led to our ignorance and that led to our demise.

#798 The Sunset Strip » Overrated Bands » 950 weeks ago

Gunslinger
Replies: 21

We have an Underrated Bands thread so why not have an Overrated bands too?

This is any band/artist you think gets more credit than deserved.

A couple from the past:

Janis Joplin - everyone loves her but I don't see why.  Some of her stuff is ok, but ok only...not legendary.

Jim Morrisson -  I like some stuff by the Doors but Jim's drug-induced jibberish is hardly the poetic "genius" he often gets praised for.

One from today:

Nickelback - they basically hail as king of rock-radio but every song sounds pretty much the same.

#799 Re: The Sunset Strip » Alice in Chains » 950 weeks ago

For you AIC fans I'm going to try (if I have the time over the next few days) to upload the much sought after "Heroin" by Alice in Chains.  It is very hard to find and usually fetches 75-100 dollars minimum.   It is not an official release but was produced by a small German bootleg company called "Ride the Tiger". 

I'll upload it complete with downloadable artwork for you guys.  Maybe some more will follow in the future if there is an interest.

#800 Re: The Sunset Strip » Underrated Bands » 950 weeks ago

This thread I started has now been changed to the "Underrated Bands" thread.  Any band that you like that you feel did not/has not yet got the credit they deserve.

One for me is Candlebox, they are much better than the amount of success they obtained.  Great music, good writing, so-so sales.

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