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#881 Re: The Garden » Smoking cessation » 637 weeks ago

To me, Spitzer makes a lot of sense in some ways. I particularly agree with his opinion on NRTs.

The same principle here applies to people who use NRT products. There are people who have quit this way. Again, it is a small percentage of the long-term ex-users out there, but they do exist. An individual who pulled it off this way will also feel that it is a great method for quitting. But again, this method works for a small percentage of people who try it and if you look into real world long-term quits you will have a very hard time finding many people who actually successfully got off nicotine this way.

I feel it necessary to use that phrase, "got off nicotine," as opposed to saying, "got off smoking." There are some major experts coming out and advocating that people should be given nicotine supplements forever to stay off of smoking. Can this work? Of course it can. If you can give people enough nicotine via supplements it will satisfy their need for nicotine. After all, this is the primary reason they were smoking at the end -- to feed a nicotine addiction. If the smoker can just get nicotine for the rest of his or her life via another route, he or she will avoid going through the three days of nicotine withdrawal.

The question needs to be, why should anyone have to pay what is likely to be tens of thousands of dollars to avoid a few days of withdrawal.? On top of this, these people will never be totally free of the moderate withdrawals that such usage is likely to keep going. These people will in fact tout the use of the product as a great aid, but when compared to what people who are totally nicotine free are experiencing, this victory over cigarettes is just a bit hollow.

http://www.joelspitzer.com/whyquit/joel … ly_way.htm

We got into the nastiness of the Pfizer NRT on the other page. To me, the whole notion of gradually cutting down your nicotine consumption just sounds like waste of time and money. It also makes for a nice self-deception, as I'm inclined to side with the Rat Park experiment on this one. Addictions are heightened and maintained by addicts' social constructs. Taking drugs in an orderly, clinical environment just doesn't have the same flair to it for a junkie - as amazing as it might sound. Smokers smoke muchly because they socialize with other smokers, all of whom share a vice, as well as the lack of a better way to spend their time.

NRTs dance around the issue by allowing quitters to take the nicotine in a passive way. There are indeed three days of wrath in store for any smoker, so they alleviate that and while doing so, keep the nicotine addiction going. In 3-6 months, most of the NRT crowd have lapsed and are smoking again full-time. For most of the withdrawal, the addiction has been brewing below the surface, given the continuous nicotine fix, and eventually, they just wander back into the rat park.

Personal experience says cold turkey yields good results. My goal is to put tobacco into a back seat in my life. That means ending habitual smoking and only smoking if and when I wish to do so for pleasure. Requires a good deal of restraint, but still, it beats beautifying tobacco as a forbidden fruit in the vein of 'one puff and you're gone again'. I'm out to prove myself I can take charge over my nicotine addiction and so far, so good. smile

#882 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR in PA May 13 » 638 weeks ago

BLS-Pride wrote:

Maybe a US run before Vegas is shaping up? This isnt that far from me. Pretty good casino too. Wonder if they will hit the east coast as well. If the show is different from the last two I saw then I may go but that's a big if.

I predict a few warm-up shows for Rock on the Range in the vicinity. They'd probably like to minimize logistics cost and cash in. After Vegas, I'd expect to see them in Europe during the summer. They have their pick of the litter in the local mainstream rock festival scene, has been that way since 2006.

#883 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » The man who cannot sing... » 639 weeks ago

Congrats to Myles.

Technically very proficient, career-hungry professional, but his thunder is repeatedly stolen by the big, old wolf, who huffs and puffs his way through the same songs.

Imagine that.

#884 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 639 weeks ago

Feeling co-morbid with them giraffes and playback to a major crowd? Sign language?

Ax, do you really want play Da Vinci code with your schizoid fanbase?

The ones who spent aeons researching the most bogus claims and cryptic clues related to the band, as you DID. NOT. COMMUNICATE.


Pfft. Took a look at those tweets. He's really in a loon mood nowadays. Public meltdown? Ax getting into Charile Sheen mode with giraffe slices for tiger blood?

#885 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 639 weeks ago

I wouldn't like to be gloomy, but Axl has no contemporary relevance as a musician, given his insistence to NOT release albums and to NOT reunite with Slash. He has no contemporary relevance as an industry voice as he not running a column like Duff. He just decided, out of the deepest blue, to come out with one of his borderline sensible rants, which doesn't even concern himself or his band. Means his target audience is a bit limited. Probably the people in the Superbowl (halftime) audience, who go to his shows for the AFD material. They may get the proverbial kick out of it.

#886 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 639 weeks ago

I noticed he didn't bring himself up in any way. He was keeping himself detached of the situation as anything but a spectator, and that's unusual for his public talk. It's usually him being a victim and using very many words of relative coherence to further a point that rambles about the others being more wrong than his disenchanted self. Throw a few 'nobody's innocent, nobody's fool' remarks to appease the few fans who actually believe your take on the story and you have an (extended) Ax Tweet.

Most of what Ax has said in the past about the band, the album(s) and so forth, has deviated along these lines. He never goes into cases to question his own reasons. He merely meant the best outcome for everyone. Then obstacles came. We will hear about how difficult obstacles they have been. No clear plans for the future, but doing fine, thanks for asking. It's hard to pinpoint what keeps Axl stuck that way.

There's a record to release. He won't. Afraid? He'd shut up if afraid. Is this rant then about the RHCP and the interpreter to be understood as a similar moonlight attention-craving from a known recluse than his stint in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas?

#887 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 640 weeks ago

Imagine if Twitter had existed in '92.

@AxlRose: Lazyass security - FUCK THIS SHIT. Going #home!

#888 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 640 weeks ago

And if you're like me, scratching your head over the 2nd tweet;

Ax wrote:

Oh well, so much for science! But hey, they still got that karaoke thing going for 'em! Awesome! They're right up there with the sign language guy, whose deep n' heartfelt dedication, absolute total commitment, conviction (or maybe that was just the other 3 tire binding, poor sob burning murderers), absence of sanity, and ultimate public achievement should not b forgotten! God Bless Mandela for his consideration n' generosity, for foreseeing this noble event and kicking the bucket (too soon?) allowing us this, not unlike the Superbowl, historic, heroic n' amazing event! Amen!!

Gruesome allegations have emerged in South Africa that the “fake” sign language interpreter at the Nelson Mandela memorial service was involved in a mob which killed two men by burning them to death. Thamsanqa Jantjie is currently the subject of an inquiry into how he was allowed to appear at the service a week ago alongside world leaders, including US President Barack Obama.

Questions have been raised over the screening of the man who has been the subject of complaints from the deaf community before, and who said he had hallucinations and saw angels while interpreting at the stadium in Soweto. A cousin and three friends of Mr Jantjie have now said he was part of a group which caught two men with a stolen television, beat them and then set fire to tyres placed around their necks.

- The Independent

#889 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl on Chili Pepper not playing at Super Bowl HOLY SHIT LOL » 640 weeks ago

When you put it that way, he needs to do this shit more often. As a one-off, it's weird and many people see him peddling for publicity - something Axl's never been too keen on doing. But if he carves a niche out of it, exposing the frauds, charlatans and hypocrites in the music industry for what they are in a monthly diatribe, some of that relevance could be reposed to him. It's not like he'd have much to lose in terms of public image, anyway.

#890 Re: The Garden » Smoking cessation » 640 weeks ago

Yeah, some unconstestable plusses on vaping include the complete lack of carbon monoxide (which I downplayed with active carbon filters) and, I take it, tar. Not to mention your factory-rolled cig contain hundreds of additives - combustion then serves to create new substances out of them. I rolled my own ciggies for years, additive-free, because I was into the nicotine and the tobacco itself, and not as much into the draconian ways of Phillip Morris.

It's no big secret that major tobacco companies boost their products to be more addictive, desirable and short-lasting. In brief, they wish to turn buyers into users, users into addicts. By selling a legalized drug, they make good money - the health issues of their customers are irrelevant. War on drugs should be fought against the vendoring of harmful "tobacco-like products", which includes your average pack of ciggies. This doesn't happen directly, because it's a global business and the tobacco companies can buy themselves out of next to anything.

Therefore, vaping certainly counts as a lesser of two evils, and thumbs up if it works for you. Me, I'd found that smoking wasn't pleasurable anymore, just something I did out of habit. So, I wanted out of nicotine, just because I felt it had ran its course with me and there was little point in keeping up with it. Having said all that, going cold turkey was tough. No matter how well you reason cessation out, the body will come around to inform you that the nicotine levels are dropping below normal. After some time of the body healing itself, which includes irritability, fatigue, coughing and sleep irregularity, one can start getting used to the cravings.

A new reason to keep going is the bitch of a road that has led thus far 16

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