Ali wrote:

russtcb wrote:

Ah. I've heard this exact quote from another person before and it's as incorrect now as it was then. See, you're not seeing anyone here complain about a show their not at. You're seeing people complain about the state of arrested development that GN'R seems to be in.

I'm a big "set list defender" and even I think maybe it's time to stop playing the same ol' same old.

To clarify even further, complaining about a show they're aren't at would be more like complaining about the quality of Axl's vocals, the poor sound mix or the way a band member was playing something all based on a YouTube clip or something like that.

With all due respect, Russ, I have to disagree.  A comment like "100% cash grab" implies to me (at least) that the band came out and played with no to minimal effort and just went through the motions so to speak.  The problem with that is that cannot be discerned through a setlist alone.  Hence, I do feel that is criticizing a show one is not at.

As far as the arrested development, I don't see how that can be stated to be the case when we know for a fact they have been working on a new album, per Richard Fortus.  If one means the setlist specifically, that is another story, and obviously that hasn't changed much since the NA tours.  But, the Russian and European crowds didn't get to hear "Estranged" or "Civil War" in 2010.

Ali

The term "cash grab" in this particular thread was used specifically about the set list. The way you can tell is that no one spoke about GN'R performance or effort. The thing that was being discussed was the set list.

And if all you have to lean on as proof that they're moving forward is a quote from Richard Fortus saying they're working on a new album, you are armed with quite the weak argument.

And you're preaching to the choir in regards to the "well, they've added this, that or the other song since the last tour" however, the Russian crowd didn't even get Civil War and You're Crazy that those of us in North America did.

The long and the short of it is this; I believe users should be allowed to voice their opinion on the state of GN'R here. If it's negative and they've got an argument to back it up, then great, let's have a discussion. If you, I or anyone else disagrees and has an argument to back it up, now we're cooking.

But to stop by and accuse the user base of doing something they're not? That I won't let fly. To many intelligent folks on this board often well armed with a fantastic line of reasoning to watch them have to put up with that.