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#951 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

Anyone else completely forget what we were talking about?

#952 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Myspace fact:
When it broke the record for most streams, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. When some fans observed the fact the stream count nosedived, it changed to fans dont stream or waste bandwidth.

Doesnt that violate a law of physics?

You're generalizing the people who liked CD with the people who loyally lick Axl's balls which is beside the point. I'm giving my own opinion I'm not speaking for anyone who hailed the myspace stream as a success.

That said it was. It capitalized on the curiosity of general musical fans (not so much GNR die hards) and as a result broke some record.

That instantly put CD on the map in a positive way even before release. As the curious casuals trailed off the stats on myspace began to represent the diea hards listening patters.

The point is CD was lauded in the press for breaking some myspace record. Just another good review to maintain the integrity of the catalog.
Azoff's doing no doubt.




buzz

1) that wasn't my suggestion, it was someone elses.  I do think it would have something to do with an album that was highly anticipated and sold quite a bit the first 2 weeks though.

Cool

2) Sort-of, but unless you're on dial-up streaming music on myspace isn't a big deal.  Even so they would have skipped and checked out the beginning of all of the songs to see if they liked the basic vibe of the songs, which still would have counted as streaming the entire song.  The # dropped at the very least to some extent because not everybody liked what they heard.

Reflecting general curiosity from music fans who weren't into GNR but had to hear the mythical CD for themselves


3) if the critics liked it and it flopped after 2 weeks, why would the record company expect something better the next time around?

They shouldn't but that wouldn't make them any less likely to do another album.Those 2 weeks and that critical backing made them a decent profit.

#953 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

If the music is so strong, why did it die after 2 weeks of strong sales?

When has the strength of a piece of music ever had anything to do with sales?

buzzsaw wrote:

Why did the free streams drop dramatically track by track?

People don't listen to full albums online. It eats bandwidth like a bitch.


Critics liked it.  The same critics that you guys said are out to get Axl when they blast things he does.

I'd actually consider myself an old GNR die-hard. But yes those same critics are the ones who maintained the GNR track record allowing Axl to keep trading on it. Putting him in a good position for the next CD having maintained that integrity.


Fans?  Not so much from the looks of it.  At least not in the US.

Not the fans. The fans don't get to write the professional reviews that will be quoted 10/20 years down the line

#954 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
apex-twin wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Let's stick with the subject instead of deflecting it to something everyone understands is part of the problem.  That's not what we're talking about here.

Right.

buzzsaw wrote:

Ok, so back to the next step:

So...if people streamed it and didn't like it, and people bought it and didn't like it, it's reasonable to expect that sales would be lower for a subsequent album, correct?

That argument was proved invalid with the Metallica example.

Next!

Proved?  You compared a band with it's core in place and that stayed relatively active with one that has one band member and nothing in 15 years and call that proved?  You're out of the discussion.

But there are no other bands like GNR ... ... You're assuming that GNR are trading on the strength of their line-up (which obviously they are not) rather than the strength of their musical integrity (Which obviously they are...it took 15 years to do CD to the level it's at in fact)

#955 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff kicks out heckler over Cobain comments » 759 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

I can tell by how he plays guitar that he wouldn't be a pussy.

14 That is so gay 19

#956 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

Here's how I see it.

The issue of whether or not this is the best line-up of GNR is irrelevant at this point.

It's 2011. Almost everyone knows that Axl is the only original member.

All the media outlets who gave CD rave reviews know. All the board members here know, even the casual fans in 2011 are well aware of the status of GNR.

Line-Up is a non issue. They're not trading on the line-up that's obvious. These guys don't even give interviews for Christ sakes.

GNR trades on the strength of the brands musical track record (which was critically maintained with CD) and on Axl Rose.

Unless someone goes back to '87 and swaps out SCOM and PC for Every Rose and Cherry Pie that's not going to change.

They're not trading on slash and izzy. They're trading on slash and izzy's past work. Their best work.
They're not trading on the Axl Slash mascot team. They're trading on the Axl rose show.

Now here's the thing. When GNR released CD the critics lauded it. That means, that regardless of the controversy surrounding Axl OR the line-up, the integrity of the music was preserved in the eyes of the media.

Musically speaking, GNR have a very strong track record, both with the original line-up and with the CD lineup.

That musical integrity is what matters for album sales. There are very few artists you can look at and say "never had a bad album". Against all the odds GNR became one of those bands in 2008.

There is no new album coming. It took 15 years to do CD and rather than surpassing the yard stick set by the original line-up CD retained it. No fucking way is any record label gonna put GNR's strongest selling point (the integrity of their track record) in the hands of DJ Ashba. Fuck me, it took Buckethead to make CD. Buckethead!!!! You don't replace him with DJ Ashba n Bumblefoot and still retain your musical integrity. At least not in a creative sense.

Expect a laboured re-recording process far down the line where Bumble and Ashba play Buckethead parts note for note. (that's if they don't walk) You couldn't trust these 2 to match Bucket creatively, there's too much at stake here.


GNR is trading on an almost perfect track record and one of the last remaining great rock singers. Simple.
CD proved new GNR lineups can carry the torch in the media. A new GNR album would sell better than CD as a result.
The problem is, the new line-up does not have a Buckethead, so we'll get some re-records and if we're lucky some retained Bucket leads.
When it comes it'll sell better than CD, but may not be as good due to the creative logjam in the band

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#958 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vinyl LPs » 759 weeks ago

mister saint laurent wrote:

on march 2, 2010, chinese democracy was reissued in the united states on CD and LP. the only difference really was a different UPC to differentiate it from the 2008 best buy release. i know the 2008 vinyl pressing is considered to be notoriously shitty, so i didn't know if the 2010  vinyl pressing was any different.

Ah I see. That wouldn't bother me in the least for some reason but ca understand why it should

#959 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vinyl LPs » 759 weeks ago

Waddya mean 2010 version.... Is the version of CD with alternate/original artwork of different audio quality or content or something?

#960 Re: Guns N' Roses » Could the tide be turning » 759 weeks ago

We may remember the CD release as a mess but history won't. I mean jesus! Time magazine reviewed the LEAKS of this album!

Time Magazine.... The fucking Leaks!!!...... Not even the album.... the illegal leaks....

More insanely they fucking loved them:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0 … 47,00.html

Rolling stone gave the full album an excellent review. In 2008 just as 808's n heartbreak was coming out, they gave CD a great review.... Awesome.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/album … y-20081127

BBC dug that shit :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7730075.stm

allmusic:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/chinese-d … 256/review

Quote:
"Or as Axl put it in an apology for canceled concerts in 2006, "In the end, it's just an album." And it's a good album, no less and no more."

Chuck Klosterman (Fucking Hardass):
http://www.avclub.com/articles/chuck-kl … racy,2539/
Quote: " This record may tank commercially. Some people will slaughter Chinese
Democracy,
and for all the reasons you expect. But he did a good thing here.

Grade: A-"

LA Times:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_b … ew-gu.html

Quote:"Whether history declares it a tragedy or a farce, this is one album that's more than a pop exercise. And for that, Axl Rose can finally take a bow."


Yes the release and lack of promo was a joke. We lost out there.
Posterity will not note our opinions on this album though. Not one of us will be quoted in an article 10 years down the line. The entire GNR forum community will be mentioned in some throwaway sentences casting us as trolls, which for the most part, many of us are.

The reviews are what will remain. Chinese Democracy will b remembered as a good album.

GNR are in a position now to do whatever the fuck they like.

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