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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song/Zodiac instrumentals » 1 hour ago

One thing I think alot of us are forgetting is money. TBH I'd forgotten about it until someone posted a link to a post from about 12 years ago here. I think there was a scenario, which I believe to be true, where Axl was fronted tons of money, yet wanted to renogotiate his contract, since he blew thru the money he was fronted. And the record company drew a line in the sand, and said 'No'.

IMHO belief, Axl was given a few million (guessing here) $2 million, then it was up to $5, then $10, then $13, then the label dumped it with little promotion.  I'd guess around 2002, there was 5-7 mil invested, and it was gone. Label said no more, Axl wanted to be paid upon release, hence a standoff where Axl 'somewhat refused' to deliver it until the received a reworking of his payday (2nd payday, since they already fronted him). Label prolly said nope, make your money up on tours and radio play royalties.

Anyway, I think we're selling the record companies a bit short by saying Axl handed in this gem of an album and bonehead record company execs said "Nope, this won't sell. It's all about STP, RHCP, Limp Bizkit nowadays".

Feel free to disagree, but there's a bit more to it in my mind.

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 42 hours ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

The president is suing the government.

it's collapsing.


What are you talking about?  Democrats and their allies have sued every time Trump farts. They’ve been overruled on nearly every suit, but they enjoy delaying legal processes.

What suit is Trump launching that is against the “government” and is a new crisis. I’m genuinely asking in case I miss something.

Trump is suing the NY DA for requesting past tax returns due to a state investigation. Something every elected President since Nixon exited in disgrace has done. "The most transparent president in history" lol, lie.

Not sure why he's challenging it, I'm not a lawyer but I believe part of the DOJ opinion is that since a president can pardon themself there's little use in charging them, although trump can't pardon himself of a state crime. Besides, what's he hiding. He's the one who pushed for Obama's birth certificate and questioned what Obama's hiding!?

#3 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 47 hours ago

The president is suing the government.

it's collapsing.

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

Supposedly he made a "promise" to a leader on Aug 1w. Around that time theres a list of about 5 leaders he was dealing with, incl Putin & Kim Jung.

He's seemed angry & arrogant lately, and with Bolton leaving just days ago this is not a good look.

I agree it could be partisan, but seems Trump is trying to keep it all under wraps under the veil of national security.

#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Instrumental leaks » 3 days ago

AtariLegend wrote:
James wrote:

Yeah Axl was right.

For a good laugh, read through this;

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=381

lol, the best part is BringBackAdler with -10 karma!!

Wow, the old days. DTJ, Communist China, NYG82, those names sure ring a bell.  Wish I could make a post giving myself some life advice & be able to read it 12 years ago big_smile

#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy tracklist - 2000 ~ 2001 » 3 days ago

otto wrote:

We now know for a fact there was a complete 10+ songs album by the end of 2000.

How do you think, with the songs we know existed by then, the album would be tracklisted?

Songs completed at the time:
Chinese Democracy
Atlas Shrugged
Hardschool
There Was A Time
Catcher in the Rye
Perhaps
State of Grace
I.R.S
Madagascar
This I Love
Prostitute
Street of Dreams (The Blues)
Oh My God
Riad N' the Bedouins
Silkworms
Going Down

1 CD
2 Maddy
3 IRS
4 CITR
5 Hardschool
6 Prostitute
7 State Of Grace
8 Perhaps
9 The Blues
10 Going Down
11 Atlas
13 TIL

#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Best song so far? » 4 days ago

Hardschool I feel is most release-ready and best. Perhaps has alot of potential & with a solid mix & new vocals it'd be solid.

#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Instrumental leaks » 4 days ago

2-3 is a stretch.

You've got:
The Blues
CITR
TIL
Prostitute
Better &/or CD

Which, for all intents & purposes, one would likely say are pretty impressive upon first listen of GnR again. If anything, maybe it was 'ballad-heavy', and aside from them lacked a certain style or genre. When you add in Sorry, which I could see someone not believing too much in the rough cut, it coulda been too much of a ballad album, "Where's the rock?"

#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard School leak » 4 days ago

Shacklers, ITW, Scraped,  & Riad were all pretty bad & probably should've been replaced or removed. Remove them and add Hardschool & Perhaps plus Going Down and release it in 02-04 & its a much better output. Put them on a later album or B-sides/outtakes.

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Instrumental leaks » 5 days ago

otto wrote:
AtariLegend wrote:

Finck plays alot of the best parts of these tracks that everyone seems to credit Bucket for.

Not just the credit but Robin was really unique in playing style and, I've said this many times over the years, was Axl's gateway to MOVE FORWARD.
Once Axl, the record company or Yoda wanted to be nostalgia, Robin was not happy...

I feel Axl kinda botched it tho. Even those first tours (08?), for years it was mostly AFD/UYI with 3 myb 4 CD songs mixed in. I mean, everyone raved about BH's Nighttrain solo's over & over again. Was The Blues played live? I recall Better & CD being the main ones, and Maddy myb. Anyway, Axl did a pretty poor job of not excaping the past ever & going full steam into Nu-GnR.

If he could redo it, a better way would be release CD in 2002, a followup in 2006, tours for each, by 06 play mostly newer sets. Myb 50/50 but have a less predictable setlist, just do SCOM, WTTJ, & PC and mix in 2 or 3 others randomly.

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