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#1 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 13 hours ago

So Guiliani is now confirming Trump Hotel Moscow talks did go i to October 2016.



Gee, don't ya think the American voters would've deserved transparency on this?!  Actually I recall him saying during the debates he "has nothing to do with Russia" when Hillary called him a puppet.

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 36 hours ago

lol, so Trump SHUTS DOWN THE ENTIRE GOVERNEMNT for 29 days, only to come back with his tail between his legs 'negotiating'.  WTF why didn't we negotiate with the government open??!

Alternatively, why didn't we pass Wall funding while we had a Republican Senate & House?

#3 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 42 hours ago

Flynn didn't flip?  Really, I find that interesting?  Session didn't lie?  Really, I recall that being the reason he recused himself almost 2 years ago. No info exchanged at Trump Tower?  Of course, as the intelligent businesswomen Hope Hicks stated, it was about Russian adoptions 16  Trump firing Comey was a=ok. Nothing Manafort did was connected to Trump?  Sure, your campaign manager charged with federal crimes 2 years later is nothing to be concerned with.

Sure thing Flagg, it's cool. 22

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 44 hours ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

SLC, nothing you’ve said is correct about any issue the past year. Flynn didn’t flip. Sessions didn’t lie about meeting with the Russians. No information was exchanged at Trump tower. Trump didn’t obstruct justice by firing Comey. Nothing Manafort did is connected to Trump, and short of polling information (which isn’t illegal) we know of no collaboration between Manafort and some Russian agent.

Flagg I missed it in Mueller's statement where he clarified none of these things happened either? roll

#5 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 45 hours ago

slcpunk wrote:

Mueller's office has been virtually silent this entire time, so to see them say anything is very strange IMO. In fact it's allowed Trump and his delusional base to attack him with their lies the entire time.

So for them to issue that statement is baffling to me.

Yeah I agree. My guess is with this big a leak, and a 3 day weekend, heck Trump mighta been fired or resigned by Tuesday. I think it was too big & too assertive a leak for him, and he had to quell it a bit.

Still odd his office spoke out, and yeah possible its all made up or wrong. We'll see what plays out.

#6 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

Hmmm, sorta like the Steele Dossier tho, not false, just unsubstantiated.

"BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony are not accurate,"

Curious how its a bit of wordplay that "specific statements"... are not accurate. Just read the Buzzfeed article, there's a lot of specific, small accusations which, if individually are false, aren't a complete bottoming out of the meat of it.


Although, it's possible they got bad info & possibly intentionally. That'd be quite a swindle tho. We'll find alot out on Feb 8th or whenever Cohens testifying, that's for sure.

#7 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

bigbri wrote:

Lawyers never ask questions they don’t already know the answer to. Mueller knows if Trump told Cohen to lie.

Yeah, it's also a very specific question (esp the Felix Sater part, noteven sure who he is), which to me would tell me, if I were Trump, that Mueller knows what communication I had with those named about this.

I'll bet his answer was that they all spoke about a possible deal which ending once he really began running. Which probably was a lie & the talks continued well into the campaign, and Trump/Guiliani will try to say he forgot, or he assumed his associated knew to end it. Or that he never asked about it & thought the idea was nixed etc.

#8 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

I saw a report he could re-open gov't and then demand Wall funding be put into an infrastructure bill. Dems could always not put it in, to which Trump vetoes etc, rinse & repeat, but it could temporarily get him out of this mess & place his base's hate back onto Dems. Probably his better option.


The other issue (Cohen), is a whole different mess. Hopefully, he doesn't segue the shutdown into the Cohen hearing & possible following impeachment proceedings, trying to spin it all as a big retaliation 'witch hunt'

#9 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

Per CNN:

Don't take my word for it. Check out this exchange between Democratic Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Attorney General nominee William Barr during his confirmation hearings earlier this week:

Klobuchar: The President persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction, is that right?
Barr: Well, yes. Well, any person who persuades another to -- yeah."
Klobuchar: "You also said that a President or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right?
Barr: Yes."

Also:

The Trump response to all of this? To attack Cohen. "If you believe Cohen I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge," Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told The New York Times' Maggie Haberman on Thursday night after the news broke.

The problem for Giuliani is that the BuzzFeed report doesn't hinge on Cohen. It says that the special counsel unearthed the evidence that Trump had told Cohen to lie through "multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents." Mueller's office only went to Cohen to confirm/admit he actually did it. The special counsel's office didn't get the information from Cohen.

#10 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

^ I heard that during the AG's questioning there was a specific question about 'If a President requested someone to lie to Congress would you prosecute that as obstruction?'  (or something like that) and his answer was 'Yes'.

I'd think it was coincidence as it's a pretty vague question & subject, but wonder if they were tipped off. Also, yeah something big is brewing now as this drops along with Guiliani changed their tune.

I'd tolerate Pence as a Gerald Ford type lame duck President, in a #notmypresident kinda way, as he wasn't "Elected" and only came to power in a terrible, terrible way. However, it's hard for me to believe that the "Trump Campaign" was guilty of collusion, but Pence knew zero about it??  I think that's Step 2 in all this, if Trump goes, how much did Pence know, and when?  (Are there any texts, emails, wiretaps?)

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