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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 45 weeks ago
teenage bands have better videos on youtube than this.
beyond any cringe I can process at the moment.
for years now, "what a waste of talent" is always follows Guns N' Roses in my mind but I always HOPED it'd eventually change and we got only some glimpses of what it could've been...
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 46 weeks ago
Looks like we’ll be getting a music video for The General next week, 1/24. Not sure why they can’t release things together, on time, or when it makes sense, but ok.
https://x.com/gunsnroses/status/1748571 … K8iaFJAtEA
Yeap, saw on social.
I've reported here when it was debuted live that it was being recorded for a live release but seems it is initially for the video.
Hopefully Monsters comes out and more
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 47 weeks ago
otto wrote:James wrote:Any examples of trip hop with intentionally shitty mixes?
I didn't realize that was some sort of element of the genre.
I guess Portishead is doing it wrong.
Brain & Melissa:
You can have a listen and have an opinion.Never mentioned trip hop but I liked the irony. You must be fun at parties.
You think that's intentionally shitty and not simply low budget? If intentional, they did a terrible job conveying that.
You didn't have to mention trip hop. The General is obviously in that category regardless of who mentions it.
I used to be fun at parties...but then I got old.
Sorry for the long delay. I was in the hospital for a minor procedure, caught some horrifying flu, and almost died. Never been in the hospital that long before. It was hell.
Hope you're fine, dude, alive and kicking.
On another note, it's definitely intentional to have the low fi vibe and that sound aesthectic.
We should throw a party sometime, for old time's sake.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 51 weeks ago
T.Axl wrote:monkeychow wrote:The elephant in the room is what happened to the songwriting.
Obviously we know he's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and indeed probably all time...yet somewhere after UYI he seemed to hit a wall.
Axl rejected most of the Slash riffs of the past because as he has said - he does not like to try and write around finished guitar pieces. So it seems unlikely he's going to sit down with a new instrumental album composed by slash and duff and richard now and make it into GNR.
This is probably the same reason nothing came of the pieces submitted by DJ and Bumble.
Most accounts suggest that of the many pieces submitted by brain/bucklet/robin most never got lyrics.
Of the songs he did finish and release the 2008 Chinese Democracy - it's clear a lot of them are made by frankenstiening half song ideas together to try and make a full length song. They jump styles. They jump genres. They stop and start. They mix all kinds of things together including different bands decades apart. They made full length songs but a lot of them don't flow together easily, you need the click running and samples to perform them.
Of the songs post Chinese Democracy - it's the same story - but these ones were put out without the additional inspiration. Hardschool is mostly choruses with a long instrumental in the middle. Absurd is a classic rant repeated over and over with no third verse or chorus. Perhaps is the most developed - but even it fundamentally repeats itself from half way through. The general is what one verse and one chorus repeated three times without an outro. Don't get me wrong I love these songs, but it's clear the difference between these and Novermber Rain or Coma was these songs were waiting for additional ideas that don't exist.
When asked if Axl could write for Ac/Dc in 2016 he joked that he would love to do an album if someone could just give him some good finished songs to sing.
Given how the old songs evolved this may have always been his process, but I think it's a process that has basically stopped working.
As I said in a recent post I think most of the song ideas came from traumas that are now solved, he's not living an AFD lifestyle so he can't write AFD2, I think the young man fire in them all is tempered. They could co-operate to fill the gaps - but as we've seen from the general and so on - slash and duff will not risk another breakup of the enterprise to push things by challenging a strong structure or demanding a new verse or adding on a huge change. They just overdub whatever bucket and robin did - which was mostly unmarkatable art noodles in the first place or random jams in the studio watching porn - and only even became what it did cos younger Axl hacked it into something on a 8 hour pro tools stint in his youth.
As for Slash - I wonder if he's just finally run out of ideas. Dude put out 8 full length albums outside of GNR most of them have classic riffs and solos - but even the last couple of those have started to rehash structures, rehash guitar patterns, or stock slash fills, or some clearly tribute other players or songs in ways that make me think he's starting to hit the wall too.
All that said - they are them - musical geniuses - so I mean - maybe - and just maybe - it still happens - maybe they get in the back of a room in person one day and write a classic in 5 mins...dumber things have happened....but even so...we have a wall - Axl likes to write from the piano but can't finish, Slash likes to write riffs but Axl doesn't know what to do with them, Izzy is gone, Tommy, Bucket, DJ, Bumble, and Co already sent in what they had and it didn't light a fire under anyone....
I mean i'm sure there's still good stuff...the Eye on You melody is cool, and Atlas was an ineresting verse, state of grace was fun sounding....and at least the band gives us these kind of things even if they are incomplete...as I think otherwise we'd be waiting on something thats never going to come.
It makes sense to me: we lose what we don't practice.
I would add the fact that it's weird to write and release songs about 30-year-old subjects when you're 60. Many of these leftovers are probably 20 years old.
Axl is a great songwriter, but Izzy is greater (or was). The golden age of Guns' songwriting was that period of Hell House, the 5 of them living together, with little money. Even UYI has good songs from this period.
Can we assume that the band brought the finished songs and Axl sang on them??
Anyway, it was a kind of planetary alignment (Izzy's lyrics, Axl's voice, Slash's riffs, etc.). The rest is history...
It's crazy to think that most of the great songs that bring crowds around the world to watch them came from this Hell House.
It’s got to be in Whispers but I recall at some point in the CD era (early-ish) Axl mentioned that they were doing music first, lyrics after, and that was different than guns had traditionally wrote music. Looking at some of these half baked lyrics, definitely not for the better. Guessing he lacked motivation to write lyrics on his own and was hoping the new band’s musical ideas would inspire him.
Loder: Are you thinking now about a stage show? Is it close enough to be thinking how you're gonna present this live, or is that still pretty much still in the future?
Rose: In ways. What we're doing is we're rehearsing with different guitar players, and we're still recording. I'm doing the vocals. I'm about three-quarters of the way through, and it's a very difficult process for me.
I write the vocals last, because I wanted to invent the music first and push the music to the level that I had to compete against it. That's kind of tough. It's like you got to go in against these new guys who kicked ass. You finally got the song musically where you wanted to, and then you have to figure out how to go in and kick its ass and be one person competing against this wall of sound.
Why I chose to do it that way is that, you know, I can sit and write poetry 'til hell freezes over, and getting attached to any particular set of words... I felt that I would write to those words in a dated fashion, and we really wouldn't get the best music. "Oh My God" is a perfect example. When we finally got "Oh My God" where it needed to be, then I got the right words to it. With "Appetite," I wrote a lot of the words first, but in, like, "Oh My God," I wrote the words second, but the music was written like "Appetite." We kept developing it until it we got it right. [With] "Appetite," everything had been worked on, and worked on, and worked on. That was not the case with "Use Your Illusion."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4vKkl_Qv-A
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 51 weeks ago
Any examples of trip hop with intentionally shitty mixes?
I didn't realize that was some sort of element of the genre.
I guess Portishead is doing it wrong.
Brain & Melissa:
You can have a listen and have an opinion.
Never mentioned trip hop but I liked the irony. You must be fun at parties.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 52 weeks ago
I have a theory about the bad mix:
The General was a Brain song and he is featured on it with drums and loops.
The mix has the "feel" of modern hip hop/trippy songs similar to the material he and Melissa have been working on.
My theory is that he was the main influence on the sound for this song, as Axl pointed he still involved anyway, and it was thrown as a B Side (even if such things don't exist anymore) to gather interest and feedback on a loopy sound for GNR.
And maybe this will drive the next endeavors...
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 52 weeks ago
Just released in Brazil.
Listened on good speakers. It's less compressed than the leak but still...a mess.
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2023 Tour Dates » 54 weeks ago
otto wrote:Heard it through the grapevine: Hollywood Bowl was planned as two concerts for allowing to better capturing video for a live Blu ray release.
That's one of the reasons The General had its premiere at the venue.
My sources or confirmations: none, just passing along what was heard on a social event with people who are not GNR fans.Can’t see this happening now.
This Axl sexual assault story is big news - mainstream media all over the world reporting it
Agree. If it were to happen, it won't untill all is quiet but then it won't be relevant until another round of touring.
Off topic: new vídeo on GNR Instagram featuring Fernando, so Band is backing him it seems
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2023 Tour Dates » 54 weeks ago
Heard it through the grapevine: Hollywood Bowl was planned as two concerts for allowing to better capturing video for a live Blu ray release.
That's one of the reasons The General had its premiere at the venue.
My sources or confirmations: none, just passing along what was heard on a social event with people who are not GNR fans.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 58 weeks ago
Otto and others...did you get the songs?
You new members who got the song here...
Send it to other new members when you see them ask. If you don't, you can look elsewhere when the next leak happens.
Got it, James, thanks for asking.
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