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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 2 days ago

apex-twin wrote:
Sky Dog wrote:

Hard to gauge how someone really feels when there is no communication with the outside world.

No rants on stage, Twitter or in press releases? Axl surely makes his ire well-known. He's been a lot more appeased now.

"Not In This Lifetime is now widely believed to be the second-highest-grossing tour of all time, having generated more than $500 million since it began three years ago."

Sky Dog wrote:

I wonder how he feels about the wonder twins and their focus on “side projects” instead of 100% Gnr like him?

Likely not much.

They'd need a week to record stuff which he'd tinker with from months to years. It's better for them to do their own thing while he muses on his next step.

As for Fortus, somebody should tell him Axl never knew if soon's the word tongue

It's a bit disingenuous to paint Axl as the one thing holding the band back, when there were an awful lot of complicating factors snarling up the release of Chinese Democracy (and CDII). Most of which were tied to the fact that he was trying to push forward with the new-look GN'R while management and the record company wanted the old, iconic band members back. Demos handed back with a shrug and an "eh, could do better", muted enthusiasm from the suits and the PRs – even Axl's defensive pushback and refusal to do promo was ultimately a response to the suits' not throwing their weight behind the album.

And he can turn around material quickly; IRS, TWAT, Madagascar, The Blues, Rhiad, Chinese Democracy and Catcher were all basically written in a few weeks/months of recording in 1999. Structurally, they remained the same bar some tinkering around the edges (which was, again, prompted by producers and execs sending it back to Axl and saying "Eh, could do with some work" when the subtext was "lose the NIN guy and get Slash back"). Shackler's Revenge had, by all accounts, a pretty short turnaround time.

We (pretty much) know Axl has all the songs from Chinese Democracy II ready to go bar some overdubs from Slash and Duff, which they could rattle out in a week if needs be. The sticking point is Slash and Duff (and Fortus, and why not Dizzy, Melissa and Frank? – remember Pitman wrote the riff for Madagascar) writing riffs for Axl to add lyrics to. But again, remember that he blasted through lyrics for those early Chinese Democracy songs – which were handed to him as riffs – pretty quickly; and without the suits intentionally slowing things up I suspect the creative process will be a lot smoother this time around.

#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 7 days ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

I am dying. Good stuff. The big difference however is the Slash and Duff are, Slash and Duff. If anyone can get Axl to do an album or IS them. Not saying he will, but the have a shot.

What he said. The difference this time is, it's Axl, Slash and Duff. The roadblocks to release – the record company bureaucracy, obstructionist managers trying to get the old band back together, etc – melt away in the face of that. The NITL-era band is a proven success, the record-breaking tour demonstrates that. Publicists don't have to wrestle with the awkward "Is it really GN'R?" questions. People will flock to buy and stream this record in a way that they simply wouldn't for the Ashba-era band, despite Axl's best efforts.

Furthermore, we know Axl has material ready to release, it was ready to release back in 2014/5 but it was nixed by the record label. We know that Axl's comfortable with Slash and Duff adding their own flourishes to Chinese Democracy-era songs – the reworked Better and TIL are evidence of that.

Ironically, the biggest stumbling block at this point is that Slash and Duff will probably want to contribute their own written material to the record. Axl would, I'm sure, be perfectly happy releasing "Chinese Democracy 2 with some overdubs", but the returning band members will want creative input too, which will slow the process down some.

#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 3 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
elevendayempire wrote:

The cynical part of me is thinking, "It's the same old puppy-like optimism of Axl's band members trotting out the usual quotes, but it's refreshing to hear it from Slash and Duff instead of DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot."

The optimistic part is thinking, "Well, at least a reunited Axl, Duff and Slash coming off the back of one of the biggest tours of all time will have a bit more clout and ability to get it past the record company suits than Axl And His Funny Friends circa 2010."

Heck, albums are just an excuse to go on tour these days for the bigger acts. Would think the record company is very much in favor of releasing something. Gives them a valid excuse to go on another big tour with large audiences, even if the setlist is 80-90% classic material. Merch sales and whatnot are a lot more lucrative than record sales at this point.

Really, they should take a leaf out of Ariana Grande's book and just release music in an ad hoc way instead of carefully structured album releases. The music industry's moved on:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi … xt-763458/

#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 3 weeks ago

FlashFlood wrote:
elevendayempire wrote:

The cynical part of me is thinking, "It's the same old puppy-like optimism of Axl's band members trotting out the usual quotes, but it's refreshing to hear it from Slash and Duff instead of DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot."

The optimistic part is thinking, "Well, at least a reunited Axl, Duff and Slash coming off the back of one of the biggest tours of all time will have a bit more clout and ability to get it past the record company suits than Axl And His Funny Friends circa 2010."

Slash and Duff spent a few years saying they were getting a new lead singer for Velvet Revolver, too.

To be fair, I'd argue that "getting a new lead singer" is a substantially more difficult task than "writing some songs." You've got to find someone who has talent and charisma to burn, who isn't otherwise occupied singing for another band, and who clicks with you. I mean, look at Queen – it took them nearly 30 years from Freddie Mercury's death (and a couple of false starts) to find a new lead singer who ticked all the boxes.

With Velvet Revolver it was doubly challenging because you needed someone who could step into the shoes of two of the most charismatic, iconic rock singers of all time – Axl Rose and Scott Weiland. Which basically meant you either needed to have the luckiest break ever with the open auditions, or poach a top-tier singer from another band (or their solo career). Also you needed someone who could take VR's distinctive style (STP + GN'R) and evolve it without pastiching either of the "parent" bands.

It's howlingly obvious what they should've done, of course – they should've grabbed Chester Bennington, who was basically the only person with the vocal range, vibe and stage presence to go toe-to-toe with Rose and Weiland (hell, STP thought so too). But that ship sailed.

#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 3 weeks ago

The cynical part of me is thinking, "It's the same old puppy-like optimism of Axl's band members trotting out the usual quotes, but it's refreshing to hear it from Slash and Duff instead of DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot."

The optimistic part is thinking, "Well, at least a reunited Axl, Duff and Slash coming off the back of one of the biggest tours of all time will have a bit more clout and ability to get it past the record company suits than Axl And His Funny Friends circa 2010."

#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 3 weeks ago

Duff's weighed in, too:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi … um-799258/

Duff McKagan wrote:

“Oh, it’s real, but the fun part and the cool part about Guns N’ Roses is we don’t really talk about it, and what happens next just happens [...] It’s never been that band that there’s a direct schedule of how we do things. I’ve heard some magnificent stuff that Axl has, really cool stuff he’s been working on. So I’m excited about the possibilities with that, of course. I don’t mean to get anybody rabid. Our day will happen when it happens, that’s for sure.”

#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 4 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
elevendayempire wrote:
apex-twin wrote:

Compare Snakepit mk 1 with the Constipators.

Back then, setting up a sideproject caused a rift in Guns.

Today, Slash has  an established band on his own. Axl owns Guns. No conflict in that.

I think it was less "setting up a side project" (hadn't Duff already put out a solo record?) than "Axl thought he should get first dibs on all the riffs".

I dunno if Axl should have dibs, but GN'R itself should be more important to all the guys than their solo projects.

I think the biggest rift in GN'R was caused by Axl showing up late for concerts and his decision to change GN'R from a hard rock band to an industrial band. That's a pretty radical shift and I can see how the other guys would be turned off by it.

The "industrial" thing ended up being a bit overstated, though. After all that hoo-ha, Chinese Democracy ended up being a hard rock record with some industrial touches on individual songs – and most of the songs ended up cleaving so close to the hard rock template of the old band that Slash and Duff have no qualms playing them on stage (hell, Duff played Shackler's Revenge on stage with the Chinese Democracy-era band).

Axl planned to evolve the band's sound, as musicians tend to do – does The White Album sound like the work of the same band that produced Please Please Me? 90s!Slash wanted to trap the band in a rut of regressive, bog-standard hard-rock riffs at exactly the moment that new musical movements like grunge, industrial and nu-metal were shaking up the rock landscape – and if GN'R had released Slash's preferred album after TSI? it would've sunk without trace. I don't think Axl is always right by any means, but I think he had a better handle on what the band needed to do back then than the other members (I also think it's telling that Duff, probably the most level-headed member of the band, stuck around longest and was the first classic-era member to put out feelers to Axl during the Chinese Democracy era).

#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 4 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

Compare Snakepit mk 1 with the Constipators.

Back then, setting up a sideproject caused a rift in Guns.

Today, Slash has  an established band on his own. Axl owns Guns. No conflict in that.

I think it was less "setting up a side project" (hadn't Duff already put out a solo record?) than "Axl thought he should get first dibs on all the riffs".

#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 4 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:

I'll believe it when it actually happens. Hope for the best, but not expecting anything.

I'm cautiously optimistic. As I said upthread, Axl's clearly got an appetite to release new music, but he was stymied by record company disinterest in the Chinese Democracy-era band. Now he's back together with Slash and Duff, that obstacle is removed. We know there's plenty of material on Axl's side; all they need to do with Atlas Shrugged et al is have Slash and Duff lay down guitar and bass tracks on essentially finished tracks.

The big question for me is, will they creatively click in the studio as far as new material goes? We know they have very different approaches to working; Axl likes to collect riff ideas and hack together songs in the wee hours of the morning, whereas Slash's approach is much more organic from what I understand. Will that reignite the old tensions? Maybe, but they're very different people now – and there's a hunger to get an album out there from both the band – who want to cement their legacy – and the suits (who want that big GN'R reunion album payday).

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon' » 5 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

Doubt it....same old same old....cracks me up that people really believed that Slash and Duff would wave their magic wand and ‘poof’ Axl would decide to release new music. Too funny. Absolutely no change on that front. axl

This idea that Axl doesn't want to release new material is a fallacy. Chinese Democracy was delayed largely by record company execs and managers who either didn't believe the material was strong enough, or who were stalling in the hope that Axl would cave to pressure and reunite the old band.

It's been all but confirmed that Axl wanted to release a second album from the Chinese Democracy sessions in advance of the NITL regrouping, to "put the capstone" on that era of the band. Again, it was nixed by record company execs. On this occasion, because it was very obvious that Axl was getting back together with Slash and Duff, and it would be ridiculous to release an album with a defunct version of the band just as the iconic line-up got back together. It'd be a PR nightmare, it'd muddy the waters as casual fans bought the new GN'R album expecting to hear Slash. So, they hold off because it makes more sense to get an album with the NITL line-up out there.

That NITL line-up album then holds off on recording because, as I've said innumerable times before, the tour sells itself; they don't need to release an album until they need a PR push for another leg of the tour. We've now reached that point, and – surprise surprise – the band is planning to get together and record. I think it'll happen pretty quickly, now. Probably a 2020 release date.

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