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#1 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

slcpunk wrote:
misterID wrote:

Socialism cannot exist under a democracy. Say Bernie gets his way, it would tank the economy for at least four years, I mean total disaster with skyrocketing unemployment, high taxes, etc. And four years is being generous that you could see even the slightest bit of positivity, where crap is a little less crappish... The American people would not stand for it and vote every socialist out. The left would then start hyping getting rid of the EC, abolishing rights, packing the supreme court, rewriting the constitution. Socialism can only exist under a dictatorship.

This is strange talk. ^^^ Socialism can only exist under a dictatorship? Huh?

Our country has quite a bit of socialism already: Medicare, Medicaid, VA healthcare, public schools, social security, libraries, public transportation, parks, firefighters, the police....on and on.  That's before we even get to corporate socialism (the kind Republicans never want to talk about.) Let's not also forget that it was socialism that bailed out capitalism when Wall Street was imploding about a decade ago. Tax payers picked up the tab and kept these giant corporations afloat.

I'd also argue that most Americans aren't very good at basic math. They scoff at "high" tax rates, but are buried under student loan debt, credit card debt, medical bills, childcare etc and have very little hope of retiring. But sure, your tax rate is 25% so you're "free"...congrats.

Didn't see this before, yes, straight socialism can't exist under democracy, but that doesn't mean some aspects can't work on a small scale. And let's be honest, we're talking communism. And taxing people to death is not the answer.

If you can't afford that school, don't have a scholarship, don't go to that school and pay off a debt you couldn't afford to take on. Public school is a dumpster fire, the schools who receive the most money are some of the worst. The VA is a disgrace, a shining example of how incapable they are at handling healthcare... and they killed my grandfather. And I'm against corporate welfare.

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

Joe Walsh is a mega prick. Seriously, dude attacked his own supporters who confronted him on his do-nothing record. Why the media gives these assholes any airtime is beyond me. Most tea partiers got toasted for a reason. It really irks me when it was these hucksters who went in with an obstruction agenda, did nothing, and fucked up every bill that didn't adhere to right wing purity. I guess hating Trump absolves you of all sins.

#3 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 days ago

PaSnow wrote:
misterID wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Isn't there something Social Security is only taken on the first $200k of ones salary. As Randall said, it'd be a tough sell to tell people or draw a line in the sand "Sorry, you don't get any money".

Plus the elderly can have medical conditions, nursing homes expenses that can drain a families savings. I mean, maybe not billionaires but I think a mil or two could go to a nursing home in 10 years time.

The whole point of an insurance would be to help people in those situations.

Isn't Medicare for Senior Citizens tho?  And, if we "switch" SS to Insurance, how will many elderly live month to month (food, rent etc). I suppose you're saying for the richer elderly, but as Flagg points out, what's the cutoff.


I suppose a sliding scale would be needed, or a graduated scale like our income tax bracket. That'd be a tough sell lol. Who'd vote for a person who wants to have the government review your assets & net worth and tell you if you get SS. Definitely not anyone over 50. big_smile

I think Paul Ryan did have a plan for massive overhaul in spending. I remember reading it in Bloomberg magazine, pretty sure it was before his 2012 VP nod. Cuts basically. I suppose there's a polarity in American views right now, in which direction we would like to go. Either the Bernie Sanders route, of make everything available to all and raise taxes, OR cut taxes drastically and cut spending down to limited government.

Why do you think Ryan left?  Do you think it was $$ & taking a lobbying type job in private, or do you think he ran from Trump or did he have a tough re-election fight ahead last year?

I'd be curious to see a race of Ryan/Rand Paul against Bernie/Liz Warren as Pres & VP. Kindof an ideaological test of sorts.

Well, you didn't read what I said. It would be switched for people who don't need it. The people who do need it would get a raise. Nursing homes take your SS check, not your Medicare. And even big earning seniors would still get a check, just a smaller one.

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 days ago

PaSnow wrote:

Isn't there something Social Security is only taken on the first $200k of ones salary. As Randall said, it'd be a tough sell to tell people or draw a line in the sand "Sorry, you don't get any money".

Plus the elderly can have medical conditions, nursing homes expenses that can drain a families savings. I mean, maybe not billionaires but I think a mil or two could go to a nursing home in 10 years time.

The whole point of an insurance would be to help people in those situations.

#5 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 days ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

I still like pay for play taxes, like a junk food tax, corporate internet sales tax (Amazon tax) and cutting a bunch of loopholes and corporate well fare. Medicare drug prices have to be negotiated. And raise the age of ss for wealthy Americans. Matter of fact, transition ss from a pension to an insurance for Americans who don't need it.


What kind of insurance? What’s the cutoff for “need”?

I’m generally against taking money from people who have paid into it. Does a multi-millionaire need it?  Probably not. But what about someone who retires with 2 million in their 401k? If I live to 87, that’d give me 100k a year to live on. Is that a comfortable lifestyle? Sure, but what if I saved assuming I’d get that extra 30k a year to pay for vacations and trips I couldn’t take in my youth? To say nothing about inheritance.

That's the thing, I don't know what the cut off would be, but I think there should be a space between middle class and wealthy where you could pull out, let's say $2,500 a year. Retirees travel around the US and they use their SS to fund those trips and it's good for the economy.

#6 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 days ago

I still like pay for play taxes, like a junk food tax, corporate internet sales tax (Amazon tax) and cutting a bunch of loopholes and corporate well fare. Medicare drug prices have to be negotiated. And raise the age of ss for wealthy Americans. Matter of fact, transition ss from a pension to an insurance for Americans who don't need it.

#7 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 4 days ago

Socialism cannot exist under a democracy. Say Bernie gets his way, it would tank the economy for at least four years, I mean total disaster with skyrocketing unemployment, high taxes, etc. And four years is being generous that you could see even the slightest bit of positivity, where crap is a little less crappish... The American people would not stand for it and vote every socialist out. The left would then start hyping getting rid of the EC, abolishing rights, packing the supreme court, rewriting the constitution. Socialism can only exist under a dictatorship.

#8 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 4 days ago

Never heard of politicians do this. Threatening the supreme court is scary. Here's a way to deal with this in an anti authoritarian way... When an election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … ?ocid=AMZN

#9 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 7 days ago

So far Trump and Russia have been blamed for Epstein's suicide. That's the main stream media.

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » anyone hear the atlas clip leak » 8 days ago

It's definitely legit and reminds me of Mad Season.

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