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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl is in the Studio but what for? » 22 hours ago
Finck and Brain left on their own accord. I don't remember BBF being fired. Tommy seems to have bowed out gracefully when he saw himself as a roadblock to a reunion. Ashba left.
I think the reunion happened because there was not much of a band left. Richard is still there, same with Dizzy. If Frank could drop a beat likely he would be too. Izzy, Steven are being paid lip service because they proved unreliable in the past. Izzy's enthusiasm lasted about 5 minutes before he went back into hiding.
TB is the best example of Axl rewarding loyalty when it is not really deserved. Complete mediocrities dragging the band down, but they stick to him so he keeps them around. Goldstein wasn't fired, but he should have been.
So Goldstein *Retired* (fired hence his letter later to Axl) and was tricked by Merck.
Azoff kept firing Fink and Axl didn't respect that Fink, Stinson and Fortus didn't want to replace Buckethead with another guitarist, So Fink said fuck it.
Axl could've fixed it chose not too and hired a guy wearing top hat and smoking a cigarette not named Slash.
Bumblefoot got bullied by the other members of nugnr and became very depressed (just like Buckethead), He wanted to put out new music as a band not play copy and paste onto finished songs that others wrote.
Where's the second album Axl said was ready and would come out after touring a year or two for Chinese Democracy ?
That may have solved that.
Tommy was almost out in 06 with Duff ready to replace at moments notice in nyc. He saw the writing on the wall.
Also stated what a waste of fucking time it was making Chinese Democracy because it was done years before it's release.
That's on Axl. art work, music videos blah blah fucking excuses.
Tommy knew it was over after Chinese Democracy came out.
Pittman upset Axl with whole Neil Young thing, Which even Axl made a point to mock him on Jimmy Kimmel on.
Guy was with the band for 19 years and Axl can't figure out how to resolve any issues ? Sure he had substance abuse problem but are we going to pretend Axl is sober ? Duff has had relapse and recovered Pittman didn't earn that opportunity ?
Brain did the remixes and didn't get paid.
So got to be on reunion era releases as the drummer and Melissa got Pittman's gig. Iykyk situation.
Gilby got fucked.
Frank got set up. He had gigs booked and Duff and Slash wanted the band to rehearse on short notice. They complained and Duff presented Isaac as a cheaper alternative that had better chemistry with the band.
That's some loyalty (I prefer isaac to Frank) why do you think Axl is always giving Isaac shit, it's guilt over frank.
Matt pointed out Axl's nonsense with Tobias vs Slash.
That was Axl's power move against Slash that and ownership of the name.
How did that work out ?
Izzy saw Axl's ego and paranoia and his bandmates substance abuse.
Caram (The Butcher) Constanzo finaly got fired. I got nothing to say except good job firing him and release the George Marino masters !
Team Brazil are in control it's not loyalty it's dependence.
Azoff taught Axl how the music industry really works. So eventually Axl played ball for the money and lifestyle. All those rants and all those interviews about nugnr being the future and Slash being the past afd proved to be hypocrisy.
He abandoned all of the band members except Dizzy who's a yes man and Fortus.
So when you say he's loyal guy i respectfully disagree.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl is in the Studio but what for? » 26 hours ago
He can bend to peer pressure. Axl was the last person to sign off on Adler being thrown out, despite having a lot of reason to ditch him. Frank had to go because he was a poor fit and Slash/Duff wanted somebody else badly. He is not going to jeopardize the reunion for a replacement drummer.
Matt and Pittman acted out of line. That is a big no no.
Only exception is Gilby. Apparently Axl just viewed him as a temporary replacement and when he did not live up to expectations let him go.
Axl will reward loyalty unless special circumstances forces his hand. He values the opinions of Slash and Duff. With Frank he may have thought "alright we gave him 20 years, he's not really up to snuff, he did not prove himself sufficiently". Similar to Gilby in that sense. But even in that case Axl was loyal to him for decades. Somebody like Angus or Gene Simmons would not hesitate to ditch a player at the first opportunity.
Everything you wrote above is a fair outlook on those scenarios.
When Frank left why wasn't Freese the replacement he's the orginal nugnr drummer and was the drummer for Slash's solo album on the majority of the tracks.
Do you not think Axl let nugnr die for a reunion ?
I listed other band members too Fink, Brain, Melissa ,Tommy and Bumblefoot.
Buckethead and Tobias left on their own accord.
As i stated Axl is only loyalty applies to himself and Team Brazil is my opinion.
Izzy asked him to split the loot, now i or anyone else can't claim to know the exact financials without the contract being publicly available but it would seem Izzy was given a low ball offer in my opinion.
Axl being portrayed as mr loyalty didn't work out for Goldstein or even Caram.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl is in the Studio but what for? » 27 hours ago
We can't really blame Axl for not doing the reunion at those times. Whatever his faults, loyalty to his players are not one of them. He would never ditch long time servants without a very good reason.
Do you think Frank agrees with your statement ?
How about Pittman ? He was thrown under the bus with rumors being substances abuse and butting heads with Slash.
Tommy was for Alcohol and Bumblefoot was too right ?
Robin left because why again ? A supposed reunion and nugnr being pushed aside right ?
Brain and Melissa are where now ?
Heck Ashba has not guested on any shows (which is a good thing)
Only Fortus and Dizzy remain. Why's that ?
Alder, Izzy and Sorum still did stuff together after gnr and velvet revolver but with the exception of Adler guest spotting a few times on 2016 tour where are they ?
Axl's loyalty is to himself and team brazil.
Please correct me where I'm wrong.
I left out Buckethead because him not wanting to deal with the drama of gnr makes sense and i don't blame Axl.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl is in the Studio but what for? » 28 hours ago
I respectfully disagree with a lot of the opinions stated.
I believe up until 2003 Axl was all in on nugnr.
In 2006 Axl was open to a reunion but wanted Chinese Democracy and its follow up out first. His demands for promotion and support fell on deaf ears by umg due to his failure to accomplish the objective years earlier with money invested and effort invested when you hired his dream list of producers Beavan (Nine Inch Nails and Marylin Manson) then replaced him with Roy Thomas Baker (Queen) and even had Bob Ezrin (Pink Floyd) consult combine that with the lack of enthusiasm or public demand for Chinese Democracy. UMG were justified to pull funding in 2004.
Azoff got the album out and Axl hid, the nugnr era of 09-14 was a waste of time.
Chinese Democracy should've come out in 99/00 and P.R.L in 02/03.
Blame UMG , Blame Axl, Blame Management.
The songs were there.
Hell there was enough for 05/06 release.
Don't listen to what Brain or Bumblefoot have stated. Tommy and Pittman are more reliable sources due to them being their the whole time.
The reunion should've happened in 2006
If Axl wanting Chinese Democracy out first that's understandable but by 09-10 it should've been reunion time with at least one to two studio albums by now.
That's my opinion and it you disagree that's ok. Just don't believe that there weren't a lot more finished songs by nugnr from 98-02.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl is in the Studio but what for? » 9 days ago
Team Brazil and Axl don't seem to comprehend that the nostalgia is gone.
The fan base is aging and losing interest.
The younger generations have a short attentions span.
They have treated the fanbase like shit for 3 decades. Time is also not on the bands side, father time waits for no man.
The attention the band has now will only decrease each year. Last year 2 cd leftovers were released Nothin' and Atlas and 2 leaks of better quality versions of Monsters and Children Of The Revolution occurred followed up by a world tour this year and yet the fanbase continues to lose interest because it was too little and too late.
Carrie Underwood isn't a rising star or on the level of Taylor Swift her star is fading hence the switch from country to Rock.
If Axl and Team Brazil think it will be anything more then Robert Plant and Allison Krause type of the thing attention and success wise then the joke is on them.
As it has been on the fanbase since 1993.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 3 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:Axl in Studio D of The Village on October the 8th 2002.
Later than work done from the locker leak stuff that's out there, this was both after Fortus had joined, and after RTB had gone.
The Dan named here will be Dan Monti who worked as an in house engineer and assistant engineer at The Village (and worked with Bucket)
Wonder what song was being worked on that day
https://i.postimg.cc/tTk7M37Y/2002.pngGuns N' Roses performances 2002
August 26th 2002 London England
August 29th 2002 Mtv Vma's
November 7th 2002 Vancouver CanadaThe reasoning "Guns N' Roses will go back into the studio immediately following the [August] dates to put the final touches on the forthcoming 'Chinese Democracy' album. 'I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again.
There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that 'okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list'. [...] I think that we'll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he's already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album, [...] but it's time to stop [adding new songs] now and wrap up the baby.." (Axl, GNROnline, 08/15/02)
Credit Chinese whispersSo touch ups is my guess, unless you know more @Shacklermyrye ?
No I expect you are correct. Touch ups on tracks we know of probably, but not necessarily all the same album songs that were released in 2008 though.
"Guns N' Roses will go back into the studio immediately following the [August] dates to put the final touches on the forthcoming 'Chinese Democracy' album.
That was said in 2002 and the intended track list for the album at that time may not have been exactly the same as 2008, I'm sure that mostly it was but there may have been a song or two bumped off the list by 2008.
I was just surprised to see The Village post anything related to those sessions, the only person there outside of the band and producers who has ever talked about it a little is Jeff Greenberg i think, who was the CEO and manager in 2002, he bought it in 2007.
Oh i completely agree with you and i imagine songs that weren't on Chinese Democracy, released as Chinese leftovers by the reunion era were worked on as the ones that have been released is.
My apologies on not saying what a cool find that was by you and interesting one too. Basically the vault in my opinion is mostly filled with the Village sessions era songs, the later work at woodland or NYC and Vegas most likely were touch ups or alternative/new vocals also when Bumblefoot and Frank were copied and pasted onto the tracks.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 3 weeks ago
Axl in Studio D of The Village on October the 8th 2002.
Later than work done from the locker leak stuff that's out there, this was both after Fortus had joined, and after RTB had gone.
The Dan named here will be Dan Monti who worked as an in house engineer and assistant engineer at The Village (and worked with Bucket)
Wonder what song was being worked on that day
https://i.postimg.cc/tTk7M37Y/2002.png
Guns N' Roses performances 2002
August 26th 2002 London England
August 29th 2002 Mtv Vma's
November 7th 2002 Vancouver Canada
The reasoning "Guns N' Roses will go back into the studio immediately following the [August] dates to put the final touches on the forthcoming 'Chinese Democracy' album. 'I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again.
There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that 'okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list'. [...] I think that we'll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he's already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album, [...] but it's time to stop [adding new songs] now and wrap up the baby.." (Axl, GNROnline, 08/15/02)
Credit Chinese whispers
So touch ups is my guess, unless you know more @Shacklermyrye ?
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 5 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:AgesOfTheIce wrote:There's no evidence that guy is the same one that posted the Sorry lyrics. His post also referenced other song titles like "The Watch" and "In This Grave" that don't sound real at all.
Well look at this way the 5 post that he made
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/203806 … s-in-2007/
Where was he wrong because all that info that's not the "In This Grave" or "The Watch" checks out.He didn't break any news there. Everything he said was already speculation or outright observations common on the boards in those days.
My observation is his info (not song lyrics or song titles) was proven correct.
Sure it's fair for you to say it was speculation and outright observations that were common at the time. I cannot debate that.
The fact other posters here believed he may have been the same poster as Demolition from htgth is interesting and should be further investigated and discussed because that would actually validate the lyrics provided don't you agree ?
I myself cannot claim to know anymore on this individual then the post i have provided.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 5 weeks ago
There's no evidence that guy is the same one that posted the Sorry lyrics. His post also referenced other song titles like "The Watch" and "In This Grave" that don't sound real at all.
Well look at this way the 5 post that he made
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/203806 … s-in-2007/
Where was he wrong because all that info that's not the "In This Grave" or "The Watch" checks out.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 5 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:who can tell me if they remember this...?
"and they say the stars don't look the same, I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim"
I know it was allegedly written by the same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before it was released although that's not entirely proven I don't think.
I havn't thought about this for years but If they are real lyrics, surely the word soul would suggest Soulmonster? If I remember right the same person was the first to mention In This Grave
So Demolition posted those lyrics about a Soul To Claim on htgth ? The Same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry in 2007 on htgth ?
If that's the case wouldn't i and few others be right that Monsters isn't Soul Monster ?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Once again kudos to you @shacklermyrye and props to you @guts for remembering the source the lyrics all those years later.
@sp1at you also said
Beltrami told someone on my site years ago that Seven was based on the movie of the same name."
If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? (Page 49) / Guns N' Roses / GNR Evolution - Guns N Roses ForumSeven is film about the 7 deadly sins.
So far the only cd era songs not counting 4 kohd versions with religous overtones are Oh My God and State Of Grace. Since we know Seven isn't Oh My God is logical to assume I'm correct with my theory that Seven is State Of Grace ?Man I had forgotten about those lyrics completely lol, that post of mine must be from very early in this thread somewhere.
I would need to look into the whole thing again to be sure, but the way I recall it, it was same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before release that posted those. People who remember it seemed to assume he was bullshitting as when Monsters leaked it didn't have those lyrics, but obviously knowing the lyrics to Sorry before they were out there suggests this poster either had heard or had actual stuff. Who knows maybe it was Sebastian Bach lol
When Monsters leaked I knew at least that the word Monsters was involved as just like Evader I had spent hours pulling the audio from the VIP_CELL clip & Monster was pretty much the only word I got right. I probably should have twigged that the song wasn't actually The General at all, but we all believed it was as GNR twitter had stated that intro music for gigs was mostly The General..
Anyway I understand that people are split on if they were once upon a time part of the same song or not. I don't know for sure, but I do know that the version of Monsters that leaked is like a structurally butchered version of what it once was, and should have been.
It's a shame we never got that version but you can always trust GN'R to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Take a listen to this my friend
https://youtu.be/cNMqSInMv9Y?si=bf7QXRbjubEFeL9X
Thanks to Arnuld over at Bad Apples posting it.
My good friend who told me about Children Of Revolution and allowed me to be the one to break the news also said he heard The General years before it was released and it's The General N' Monsters as one long song. The General N' Monsters used to have a lot more orchestra before we go the Slash and Duff redo. @Sp1at please ask around regarding that.
More to the point if Demolition posted these lyrics "and they say the stars don't look the same, I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim" then that's Soul Monster aka Me and My Elvis aka Leave Me Alone. I urge people to listen to village sessions Me and My Elvis with those lyrics in mind.
Full disclosure I'm not always right but i got a helluva a batting average and if I'm wrong it's because the info i got was wrong.
Last year i posted about Guns N' Roses have a release planed on June 6th, Questions was my source from mygnr who later admitted on mygnr he was Mister Saint Laurent, so i was wrong but my source has a good history for being right a example Axl joining AC/DC. I think June 6th still was the planned date.
But i will take that as me being wrong so add that to the list.
On the other hand who was the first to break the news on 2026 North American tour last year weeks before anyone else ? That was me and no Mister Saint Laurent nor Fearthejuggalo were not my sources on that.
So if im right that means we have a unheard song in Me & My Elvis aka Leave Me Alone aka Elvis Presley and The Monster of Soul with the meanest vocals Axl has ever sung according to him still out there !
