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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 23 hours ago
You're right about one thing: derailing the thread, but I'm not on badapplesforum and you're not on mygnr or a4d. Anyway, my apologies for that to the admins and rest of the folks on here. Over and out.
I'm right about more then one thing and have shown where I've credited you directly when you have been right in the past. Which probably what you wanted all along to control the narrative.
Now that you've handle this matter poorly you've decided to stop with the nonsense. Fair enough though you didn't respond to my reply to your post directed at me. I guess you didn't have response to my points i made in my post.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 24 hours ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
So you took it upon yourself to come here and derail a thread twice even though you own your a gnr forum and post mostly on mygnr Gotcha !
What have you ingored until now your hypocrisy ? Acting like a source of knowledge of matters like Children of the revolution when I was the first years ago to report via my source Axl, Slash and Duff recording it and you called me a troll and it didn't exist?
My public post just pointed out your error nothing else.
Your own words
" 2) The image is cropped from a larger one (that has not been shared in public), which is a screenshot of what appears to be a forwarded email originally sent by Fernando and dating from January 2008."
The image i posted in response and
Tweet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
That matches your quote aboveThe more common shared image
https://i.imgur.com/T6I6W5R.png and the one you quoted in your post
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … /page/160/You did not state in your post you were referring the one were multiple emails address are shown did ya.
Again: Your image from Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that very mygnr thread (by user Sweersa) before I made my post.
https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/20/05/33/00/20254361.jpg
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124671
https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/20/05/33/00/20254362.jpg
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … nt-5124785
How would I be referring to it as "not shared in public"? It was self-evident from the flow of the thread that I was referring to another, larger screenshot, not the one that was already there in plain sight.
I understand that it's part of your shtick to pick up on the smallest and most insignificant things looking for a "gotcha", but be more careful next time.
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As for Children of the Revolution:
I made an educated guess as part of the process of critical thinking that you're obviously not familiar with.
When I come across any information or story, I'll look for verification (like an identified official source, a reference, a document, etc., or at least confirmation from a second unofficial source). When the information cannot be verified in this way, I'll make an educated guess based on logic. Of course, educated guesses may turn out to be wrong sometimes since they don't rely on evidence but on logic alone, and I know that when I make them.
In the case of Children of the Revolution, logic said that it probably was not true since the original rumour shared by Mitch Lafon was debunked, and even if there was indeed a recording, it was unlikely to be included in a GN'R release because it was not part of a GN'R project. Eventually my educated guess turned out to be wrong and I admitted it on mygnr.
Once again derailing a thread on a separate forum for a third time.
Now starting with insults such as saying i have shtick because i pointed out the obvious.
You claim your post posted was going with flow that it was self evident but you didn't quote the swearsa post nor the image of the tracklist he posted, instead like i previously stated you posted the commonly posted image the one without Fernando Santos in it. Look at your own words and description in your post. Clearly you fancy yourself some reporter yet the majority of what you do is copy and paste others work.
Since you claim to have the larger email with the rest of people's emails why didn't you post it to validate it's authenticity even more, That was the point you were trying to make wasn't it ?
You may have it, i don't know but it would've made more sense to post it wouldn't it if that's what you truly were referring too.
On Children Of The Revolution I was the first to report it well before Mich Lafon just like the 2026 world tour.
You never have said Brasky was right on either have you ? Edit i see where you linked to a mygnr post say the "insiders" were right. That's pretty condescending.
Btw
Here's a example how I've treated you
https://badapplesforum.com/threads/guns … date.1357/
"Per Blackstar
https://www.a-4-d.com/t8176-2004-09-20- … uary#34342
Link above.
Btw @blackstar i will glady correct or update information that i say in any of my post. To my knowledge it was a 20 year deal. You obviously did the research and came up with evidence it's not.
I gave you credit on the UFO scoop that the song Axl was recording was Love to love.
If you want to discuss my track record which i stand behind please feel free to register a account here or pm me on Gnr Evolution.
I applaud you for your work."
You try insult me stating i have no critical thinking yet i actually have sources and break news.
When I'm wrong i admit it unlike yourself.
You claimed to have ingored things, what things ? You stated in your prior post and that you should go back to ignore yet here you are.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 37 hours ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
@billbrasky
Did you ever see this image yourself personally before 2019?
No i don't think i did.
I don't recall knowing Perhaps, Nothin', Monstrosity and 4 Heavens being song names before 2019.
I was away from the forums for a long time till the reunion.
Granted I've seen a lot shit since but until 2019 i don't believe i did see the cd2 tracklist image.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 41 hours ago
Badapplesforum is reserved for the scum of the earth, better off dead aka maga losers
Well aren't you pleasant !
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 41 hours ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.
So you took it upon yourself to come here and derail a thread twice even though you own your a gnr forum and post mostly on mygnr Gotcha !
What have you ingored until now your hypocrisy ? Acting like a source of knowledge of matters like Children of the revolution when I was the first years ago to report via my source Axl, Slash and Duff recording it and you called me a troll and it didn't exist?
My public post just pointed out your error nothing else.
Your own words
" 2) The image is cropped from a larger one (that has not been shared in public), which is a screenshot of what appears to be a forwarded email originally sent by Fernando and dating from January 2008."
The image i posted in response and
Tweet
That matches your quote above
The more common shared image
and the one you quoted in your post
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/227157 … /page/160/
You did not state in your post you were referring the one were multiple emails address are shown did ya.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 43 hours ago
There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.
But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?
You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged me here instead you derail this thread.
Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 2 days ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I obviously don't know that Tonto it is toothpuller but I do wonder if the noise could be there as a shot or way of making fun of Izzy maybe.
The first time I heard about Toothpuller came from before the DATS had been discovered..
The following appeared in Metalsludge in 2006. There was no way of really backing the veracity of it until the DATS were discovered years later. If someone made up the Dizzy quotes then they would have had to guess that there was a song called Toothpuller (which is unlikely) Thanks to the DAT photos we can say that the song did exist, that it did have vocals & that at least Dizzy thought it was awful...
“Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contributions to Guns N’ Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire… I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio… and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" – it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean… this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he’s writing about getting his tooth pulled… I mean come on… can you imagine Axl singing that live?’(Dizzy https://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=30945 )
“in April 1995, Duff calls again: “I’m trying to write new songs for the next GN’R record. Come lend me a hand.” It’d been five years since I’d left Guns, but I told myself, “Well shit, after all, why not?” Duff and I wrote ten songs in one week, and also made demos of them. And I thought, “It’s so easy.” When you work with someone like Duff, who loves music in the same way you do, everything becomes simple.” (French Izzy interview, 2001)
Some other comments on the time....“He's been writing; he wrote some stuff with Duff. He wants to write songs, but he doesn't wanna deal with the whole thing. And it took me a while to finally get to the point where I couldn't handle it either, y'know? He wants to write material, but he's not really sure what he wants to do. He's so laid back. He doesn't want to deal with any pressure. Izzy does what he wants to do.” (Slash Metal Hammer November 1995)
“We recorded 10 songs in eight days. It got me excited about music again. I realized how easy the whole process could be. Those sessions were fun and painless. We just had a great time.”(Izzy Los Angeles Daily News, March 20, 1998)
“I'm using a Music Man Stingray. I started using it onstage. I've always liked these basses. Actually, when we were trying to do the Guns album I broke this bass out, and it just sounded amazing. It's bigger and fatter sounding. (Duff Hit parader June 1999)
Dizzy quote is just stupid.
Saying Izzy used to be greag song writer but isn't now ? Coming from Mr Bongos that is hilarious.Night Train is about shit malt iquor and was written by Izzy with Slash.
So a song about getting your tooth removed doesn't seem that crazy.Also notice how Izzy worked on Velvet Revolver's first album Contraband but not on their second album Libertad which has a noticeable drop in quality ?
Izzy wasn't the best live but he's a helluva a song writer.
The fact Tooth Puller, Machine Gun and Down By The Ocean are Izzy and Duff songs is good for the fans and the band.
@troccoli any help my friend on what Machine Gun became hypothetically of course ?
I'm enjoying this conversation, it is insightful and i believe the community bouncing ideas and sharing information will lead to us discovering more about these tracks.
My opinion is that the vault is not empty and all future releases will come from the vault, songs that Slash or Duff worked on orginally are likely to be released.
A example of that is Hardschool.
Which i believe to be about Izzy.
It was the second release from the reunion era version of gnr.@james where are you at brother ?
It's a shame we will probably never hear those DATs. There AMPEX 456's which are prone to sticky shed syndrome, so at least they will have been baked and backed up now they have been found. I'd be more interested in the ADAT's that both Sorum and Fink have spoken about separately, recording onto VHS tapes is a weird thing that happened in the 90's. Sorum mentioned in his book they had multiple machines linked together, I believe at The Complex.
I went and we played Guns songs and some cover songs and eventually I was bringing my ADAT tapes I was working on in my apartment.
There were so many. Some of them were picked for parts and some of them were recorded to the finish line and still exist somewhere. I don't know where. Robin Fink https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/in … k%20appeal.To my knowledge no ADATs ever made there way out into the wild, presumably all in Iron Mountain now.
Once again you're incredibly well researched on this subject.
I believe a lot of those dats became songs and at a point in time Guns N' Roses and Axl were incredibly productive.
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 4 days ago
FlashFlood wrote:faldor wrote:The slide has begun. Nothin’ is #7 now & Atlas 10. They peaked at 3 & 5. Still solid, but there’s always momentum when they release these songs & they do nothing with it.
The pop, and subsequent slide are predictable. New songs targeted to an artist with a base of x-millions of subscribers will create a huge initial imprint. Everyone listens to the song when they get the notification on their phone, then moves on with their lives.
Just like the other drip feeds, they can't even get a hefty portion of their own subscribers to click on their videos.
GNR have 13.1 million YouTube subscribers
Atlas: 649k views
Nothin' 827k views
About 10-15 of those views are me.
They are an anomaly. Most major acts get more views than subscribers.
While it's nice to get 1-2 songs every other blue moon, this approach doesn't work on any level. For various reasons, it's impossible to get any traction under these circumstances. It would require a highly unlikely incident where one of the songs go viral.
The band doesn't comment no matter what and the fan base tires of the new song(s) within days. With a non interested general public, where can the songs realistically go but down?
They're already disappearing from the Spotify charts.
But Team Brazil and Axl had brilliant marketing plan !
Delay the songs while they're touring and release them 5 months before their next tour date !
Also make sure you use the shit mix job from a guy (Caram) whose been gone from the band's employment for 2 years !
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 7 days ago
When listening the first time, I was shocked they kept that Casio keyboard sound. Sweet baby Jesus.
Other than that, it's pretty good. Slash must have really liked it because he brought his A game to the solo.
Like all the other songs, it sounds like an unfinished song that was simply polished and released.
The post reunion years have revealed the true meaning of the A and B lists....
A list - Actual finished songs going on Chinese Democracy
B list - All the half finished songs, instrumentals, and fragments
Back in the prime years of the CD saga, fans assumed the A list was all the massive epics and the B list all the rockers.
I don't know if that's the case Monsters, Quick Song, Soul Monster, Oklahoma and Seven are still to come.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 7 days ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Hey sport Marco confirmed he worked leave me alone which became soul monster that's correct, i never said he didn't i just posted factual information about Marco Beltrami not having a accurate track record on how many songs he worked on or is reading comprehension not a strength of yours ?
You believe the orchestra on the general and monsters are not similar or not connected together ? Why ?
I plug evo on badapplesforum and on my show so what's your point ?
You could actually educate yourself !
Or do you not want to do that ?
Taking Marco’s response to an email 21 years after he worked on the GNR tracks (and hundreds of others in between) but ignoring him (less than a year after he worked on them) in 2003 very clearly confirm Leave Me Alone as a title is an asinine assertion. Comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.
The General and Leave Me Alone are two different songs with two completely different orchestrations. They are similar in the fact that Marco Beltrami worked on both, but are completely separate and were both named by Marco in 2003 as separate songs that he worked on. Not sure what you don’t understand about that. Both songs’ orchestrations were used as intros to the live shows, The General as early as 2006 and “Monsters” as early as 2010.
Happy to continue educating you!
Also, +1 to AgesoftheIce’s post above mine.
Lmfao where did i debate what Marco Beltrami stated in 2003. I stated that his recollection was flawed 20 years later when he exchanged emails with poster named D... on mygnr. I provided proof his statement in 2023 not 2003 were not accurate. So once again reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Go back and look at the post and come back with a prompt apology !
You want to debate that orchestration of The General and Monster's aren't similar or could possibly be a continuation between the songs.
That the General and Monsters weren't supposed to played together even though the orginal vinyl release had them together continuously ?
That's your point ?
