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#91 Re: Guns N' Roses » The next GNR album: Current known state of songs » 133 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

So do I…..they didn’t need a 3rd guitarist once Bucket joined Bucket lead and Robin rhythm and lead on a few songs

I'm not sure Robin would've worked as a rhythm player – plus he was explicitly brought on board as a lead guitarist, so a "demotion" to rhythm would've stung his ego.

Axl should've committed to two guitarists in 2000: a rhythm player and a lead. Either Huge/Finck or Huge/Buckethead, or Fortus/Finck or Fortus/Buckethead. And had whoever ended up taking the lead role re-record the extant guitar parts. No fucking about "honoring the material recorded by previous contributors," just make sure that whoever is up on stage is the person playing the relevant bit on the album.

With two lead guitarists you immediately create the impression that "no one individual can replace Slash," on top of which you end up with one of them standing around with nothing to do for half the songs (seriously, watch Think About You from 2002, you've got Buckethead playing chords ffs).

My own preference would be for a Fortus/Buckethead combo. As much as I love Finck, he's very much an acquired taste, plus the version of the album recorded with Finck doesn't have those extra flourishes that Buckethead adds. Basically: Buckethead is more than capable of playing the Finck solo in TWAT, but I suspect that the Buckethead solo would sound very different in Finck's hands. Plus Buckethead is an iconic figure; instantly recognisable in silhouette, the same as Slash. It's telling that all the interest in the band in 2001-02 zeroed in on Buckethead, and even years later he was the figure most associated with Chinese Democracy-era GN'R.

#92 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 133 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:
misterID wrote:

Cool. I’m happy for them. Even Fernando

I was listening to Melissa’s cover of Sorry and she really needs to be utilized more

Her take on Sorry made me appreciate Axl's songwriting more.

Like you can see how he could write pop songs like that rather than just rock.

Reminds me of when Cornell did that scream album with timberland.

Wait, there's a Melissa cover of Sorry?

#93 Re: Guns N' Roses » The next GNR album: Current known state of songs » 133 weeks ago

ClaudeF wrote:

It seems 10 or 12 songs is the bare minimum of tracks for an album these days, so to hit that threshold the band would need as little as one, two, or three more songs.

They could easily pad it out with covers, of course. Wichita Lineman, The Seeker, etc. Maybe get Duff to give the band a new solo track, whack a Slash solo on it and call it a GN'R song.

#94 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

Song is a grower and catchy as hell. I think the biggest hurdle to this being a mainstream hit is that it’s almost impossible to make out what Axl is saying in the chorus - people like to sing along to big hits in the car and that chorus I just can’t see that happening.

People sing along to Eminem's "Rap God," I don't think this is beyond them.

#95 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

James wrote:

you have Izzy singing "Y'could be mine" while Axl's singing "Youcould be mi-e-ine."

One of the best parts of that song.  22

It still annoys me that Duff doesn't sing the backing vocals in the outro the way Izzy recorded them on the original studio version.

#96 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

It's also just a really catchy earworm of a song, Perhaps.

#97 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

One of my favourite things about GN'R is how they vary stresses, emphasis and… syllabic structure? I'm not sure what you'd call it…

The outro to YCBM is a great example; most bands would just sing "You could be mine" over and over, same stresses and emphasis. But GN'R mixes it up; you have Izzy singing "Y'could be mine" while Axl's singing "Youcould be mi-e-ine." And then during the last bit of the song he's basically singing it every possible way you can sing it – singing "mi-e-ine" in an ascending melody, then a lower melody, etc etc. It's one of the things that makes GN'R more sophisticated than other bands, I think.

And he's doing it again with the chorus for Perhaps:
Got a lot more than I bargained for - 9 syllables, emphasis on the "got" and the "lot"

You forgot about the others you were fighting for – 13 syllables, cheeky little run of triplets at the start of the line

Sold out to the ones that you once ignored – 10 syllables, emphasis comes on the second and fifth syllables, "out" and "ones"

You used to be a little crazy, now there's so much more – 14 syllables, with this rapid quickfire run from "you" through to "so" and then a slower triplet.

I'm probably not using the right technical terms there, but what I like is that Axl's playing around with structure.

#98 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

I don't understand why people complain about the chorus; I think it's great.

#99 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 134 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

His *newest* vocals were Rock the Rock and he sounded great. I don’t know why it’s a stretch to think he couldn’t do it on these recordings. Hard Skool used those early vocals and you can tell

He had a killer rasp on his Live Era/Big Daddy vocal recordings but never sang that way live around that time.

Oh yeah, I don't deny that he's perfectly capable of laying down studio vocals now, it's just that it's become an article of faith among GN'R fans that he laid down a single vocal take for each song back in 1999 or whatever, and that he never recorded anything else. Which is insane; of course there are multiple vocal takes in the vaults.

#100 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 134 weeks ago

James wrote:
misterID wrote:

Went back and read Brain’s comments on Seven and he turned it and The General in before their first show. The way he described the demo sounds pretty much like Circus. Just an abstract and crazy piece of music around a drum beat. It would make sense they combined it. They did that with Shacklers and Robin talked about Axl  cannibalizing demos

I'll go to my grave saying Better was initially two song ideas merged into one.

That's always how Axl's worked, though. 14 Years was two separate song ideas bodged together into one. Coma is basically three or four song ideas bolted together. The outro to November Rain might as well be from a separate song (indeed we know it is because it isn't there on the early demos). It's just more apparent that he's bolting disconnected riffs together on Chinese Democracy because you don't have that tonal through line of Slash, Izzy and Duff stitching it all together.

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