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#991 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 493 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

If Trump is spouting Breibart nonsense about millions of illegals voting, then maybe he should call for a careful recount in all states.

He already won so it would be a waste of time.

#992 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

Imagine you are one of the Trump folks who believe you just elected a racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, science-denying dictator.

That's the thing, we don't believe any of that.

#993 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

A Lesson In Cognitive Dissonance

Imagine you are one of the anti-Trump folks who believe we just elected a racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, science-denying dictator. Let’s say that’s the movie playing in your mind. That’s some scary stuff.

Now imagine watching the news as Trump reveals in slow-motion that he’s flexible and pragmatic on just about everything. Thomas Friedman at the New York Times just reported that Trump is – as of yesterday anyway – open-minded about climate-change science, and Trump is no longer in favor of waterboarding terror suspects.

You also watched Trump move to the middle on his immigration policies. And you watched as Trump said he plans to keep the good parts of Obamacare instead of jettisoning it whole.

And you saw Trump say he wasn’t interested in prosecuting Clinton. Her supporters were worried that Trump was going to go full-dictator and jail his adversaries. That won’t happen, apparently.

And Trump also told the New York Times that they don’t need to worry about changes in libel laws. That means it will not become easier for people such as Trump to sue them out of business. That was one of the possibilities that scared people.

The areas in which Trump hasn’t budged in his opinion seem to be where states’ rights are involved. Trump would leave it to the courts and to the states to decide on abortion, legal marijuana, and gay marriage. You might not like the fact that Trump wants the federal government to stay out of those decisions, but it isn’t very dictator-like to leave big decisions to the states.

As Trump continues to demonstrate that he was never the incompetent monster his critics believed him to be, the critics will face an identity crisis. They either have to accept that they understand almost nothing about how the world works – because they got everything wrong about Trump – or they need to double-down on their current hallucination. Most of his critics will double-down. That’s how normal brains work.

And that brings us to our current situation. As Trump continues to defy all predictions from his critics, the critics need to maintain their self-images as the smart ones who saw this new Hitler coming. And that means you will see hallucinations like you have never seen. It will be epic.

The reason this will be so fun to watch is that we rarely get to see a situation in which the facts so vigorously violate a hallucination. Before Trump won the presidency everyone was free to imagine the future they expected. But as Trump continues to do one reasonable thing after another, his critics have a tough choice. They can either…

1. Reinterpret their self-images from wise to clueless.

or…

2. Generate an even stronger hallucination. (Cognitive dissonance.)

If Trump’s critics take the second option – and most of them will – it means you will see a lot of pretzel-logic of the type that is necessary hold onto the illusion that Trump is still a monster despite continuing evidence to the contrary.

Prediction: Expect the anti-Trump press to continue asking Trump surrogates this question: “Why do you think the KKK and white nationalists support Trump?”

The question makes sense if you don’t think about it for too long. But once you realize that Trump has repeatedly and publicly disavowed those groups, you have to hallucinate extra-hard to make the racist narrative work. That’s where the “top-secret-racist-dog-whistle” comes in. You need a theory to explain why the supposed Racist-in-Chief keeps disavowing racists. How does that make any sense?

This is where cognitive dissonance comes in. In order to explain Trump’s disavowal of White Nationalists and the KKK while holding onto the hallucination that Trump is a dangerous monster, you have to hallucinate that he is playing a clever game of pretending to be against racists while secretly planning to purge the earth of all non-orange people.

That feels unlikely to me. I think Trump just wants to do a good job for the country, thereby bringing money and glory to his family name. And he won’t get any of that by being a racist monster. He only gets that happy ending by being pragmatic and flexible, exactly as we observe him now to be.

I think the total number of KKK members is a few thousand people sprinkled across the country. But what matters more than the absolute number is the trend. The group once numbered over a million. Now they are a few thousand. Did Trump’s election cause a spike in recruitment that will have a lasting impact on the long term trend toward zero membership? I doubt it. But in any case, you have to wonder why the press isn’t reporting KKK membership trends. Every other part of the story is meaningless without that one piece of data.

Anyway, enjoy the show. And enjoy Thanksgiving too.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1535591050 … dissonance

#994 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

Hateful 'Trump' Notes Allegedly Aimed at Student Were Fabricated, University Says

Hateful notes and emails allegedly sent to a North Park University student were “fabricated,” the school’s president said Tuesday in a statement, and the woman who claimed they were aimed toward her is no longer enrolled at the school.

“We are confident there is no further threat of repeated intolerance to any member of our campus community stemming from this recent incident,” the university’s President David Parkyn said in a statement.

The student, Taylor Volk, said on Nov. 14 she had received emails and notes taped to her door containing harassing, threatening language and mentions of President-elect Donald Trump. She had also posted pictures of notes with homophobic slurs to her Facebook account.

Volk and school officials did not immediately respond to request for comment.

Volk said at the time she was confident North Park was investigating the matter, although the school would not comment directly on the notes to NBC 5. The university’s marketing director, Chris Childers, said in a phone interview earlier this month “any incident that is reported to North Park is taken extremely seriously.”

A Chicago Police official said on Nov. 14 they could not find any report about the incident.

“When student safety is compromised, and when institutional values are not maintained, we will respond with resolve as we did in the most recent incident,” Parkyn said. “Additionally, we ask members of the community to reflect our institutional ethos and commitment in our interpersonal relationships—through inclusion, civility, dialogue, respect, hospitality, and a mutual love for God and all people.”

North Park's campus is located in Chicago's Albany Park neighborhood, noted for its diversity as an immigrant gateway community, on the city's Northwest Side.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/no … 56366.html

Further threat? There was no threat to begin with!

#995 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:

To answer polluxlum, we've seen the likes of this all too often in history. It's called an abuse of power. You still see it around the world. Maybe you should move to the Philippines if you're impressed by this sorta temperament.
Surely you'd want your leader to be magnanimous & even mercifully, forgiving and fair. But maybe not.  Maybe the example he's setting and the culture he's enabling are your cup of tea. To me it's repulsive, sad, worrying and unedifying. Divisive, that word SG is so keen on.

Duterte is killing thousands of people without due process and calls world leaders "son of a whore". It's not quite the same as Trump rightfully telling a bunch of crooks off. Whatever side you are on the media campaign against Trump has been dishonest. Can't even fight a man on even terms. Who gives a shit he lets them hear it? That's what you want a leader to do, stamping out injustice. Not just all this posturing and empty phrases we usually get.

#996 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

President-elect Donald Trump exploded at media bigs in an off-the-record Trump Tower powow on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f—ing firing squad,” said one source.

“Trump started with Jeff Zucker and said I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed….

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This right here is why the fan base will die for this man. When have we ever seen anything like this?

#997 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

TheMole wrote:

Really? The whole point of art is to challenge the status quo, challenge the ruling class. If you take that away, all you have left is bland entertainment (which admittedly also has it's role and place in society). Censoring art is the hallmark of an authoritarian regime, it is the very definition of enforcing political correctness.
Art and education should be two sides of the same coin as far as freedom of expression is concerned. Neither should be shackled by political correctness. At least be consistent in your disdain for political correctness.

The play is art, not his statement. And nobody is suggesting he is not allowed to do it, he's just being called out for being an ass.

Well, it's a good thing you mention it, because apart from greed, little has done more to hurt artistic expression than the leftist censorship campaign. Film makers and producers are now afraid to talk about certain things, in this society where freedom of speech is supposed to be one of the main virtues. Many countries have outright criminalized it. The UK in particular are throwing people in jail for all sorts of silliness. One town made it a hate crime to approach women.

That shit is exactly why Trump is President.

#998 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

He has, but that's Trump. His flaws is part of why people like him. Makes him credible.

#999 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

TheMole wrote:

What I don't understand is why those who voted for Trump because he's a so-called truth speaker that is going to end political correctness overnight aren't up in arms about his recent tweets. He's now literally saying the opposite of what made y'all vote for him, but somehow that's ok now? He literally demanded a safe space for him and his ilk! You know... that thing that far-left liberal bullshit spreaders claim we should have at universities that you guys have been lamenting about (rightfully, I might add).

Now, I say "those who voted for Trump", but as far as I can tell that's actually only SG? Instead of avoiding the issue by calling Axl a redneck (he's not the president-elect, so who gives a flying fuck), address what you think about Trump's most recent 180.

Going to a theater without being called out from the stage has little to do with political correctness. That's just common decency.

Demanding your opinions don't get challenged at a place of learning on the other hand.

#1000 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

I guess living in Malibu all this time finally got to him.

Ironic considering how much he's been railing on people telling him what to do all his career. 'Million' was the anti pc statement of the 80s.

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