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#1061 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Hey guys, turns out it was just a big misunderstanding. Apparently while we speak English, Trump (and unbeknownst to me, many Republicans) speaks  "Americanese". So while our friends on the right side of the aisle understood what Trump was saying, we were just confused this entire time.

Hope that clears everything up, sorry for the confusion!


#1062 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

When it's clear that Trump is lying through his teeth about Obama "tapping" him, and even the GOP is saying it's false, Nunes throws him a lifeline. Just enough to muddy the water and take the heat off Donny. It's all pretty fucked up if you ask me.

Making America great again isn't easy I guess, huh?

#1063 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

New documents show Trump aide laundered payments from party with Moscow ties, lawmaker alleges

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan.

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

The latest documents were released just hours after the House Intelligence Committee questioned FBI Director James B. Comey about possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. The hearing that also touched on Manafort’s work for Yanukovych’s party in Ukraine.

Comey declined to say whether the FBI is coordinating with Ukraine on an investigation of the alleged payments to Manafort.

Manafort, who worked for Yanukovych’s Party of Regions for nearly a decade, resigned from Trump’s campaign in August after his name surfaced in connection with secret payments totaling $12.7 million by Yanukovych’s party. Manafort has denied receiving those, listed in the party’s “black ledger.”

Serhiy Leshchenko, a lawmaker and journalist, released a copy of an invoice on letterhead from Manafort’s consulting company, based in Alexandria, Va., dated Oct. 14, 2009, to a Belize-based company for $750,000 for the sale of 501 computers.

On the same day, Manafort’s name is listed next to a $750,000 entry in the “black ledger,” which was considered a party slush fund. The list was found at the party headquarters in the turmoil after Ukraine’s 2014 revolution. The ledger entries about Manafort were released by the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, a government law enforcement agency, last August.

Leshchenko alleges that Manafort falsified an invoice to the Belize company to legitimize the $750,000 payment to himself.

“I have found during this investigation that [Manafort] used offshore jurisdictions and falsified invoices to get money from the corrupt Ukrainian leader,” Leshchenko said during a news conference in downtown Kiev, where he provided a copy of the invoice to journalists.

He said he received the invoices and other documents in January from the new tenants of Manafort’s former offices in downtown Kiev. The documents were left behind in a safe, he said, adding that Manafort’s signature and his company seal were proof that the documents were authentic.

Leshchenko said he was not aware of any formal Ukrainian investigation of the documents. He declined to comment on whether he had discussed the documents with U.S. law enforcement agencies.

Nazar Kholodnytskyi, a deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine whose department specializes in corruption cases, said in an interview on Tuesday that the documents hadn’t been confirmed by law enforcement or, to his knowledge, submitted for examination. There is an ongoing investigation into the black ledgers, he said, but Manafort was not a target of that investigation.

Manafort has previously accused Leshchenko of blackmailing him by threatening to release harmful information about his financial relationship with Yanukovych. That correspondence between Leshchenko and Manafort’s daughter was released in February as the result of a purported cyberhack. Leshchenko has called the exchange a forgery.

Manafort was involved in crafting the political strategy that brought Yanukovych to power after a crushing defeat in the 2004 elections. Yanukovych’s party has been accused of ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, particularly through wealthy oligarchs from the country’s east with interests in both Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ne … a#comments

#1065 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Bring your daughter to work day...

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#1066 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

As of now this is a non story with potential to become a story.

It's been a non issue since day one when not a single Democrat, with all the leaks, could provide a single shred of evidence. That hasn't changed. It's fan fiction for those unwilling to accept they lost the election.

haha, yea I'm sure you said that with Hillary's emails, or Benghazi...or anything else Hillary...same for Smoking Guns.

Randall Flagg wrote:

https://www.infowars.com/nsa-documents- … lex-jones/

Am I doing it right?  Or are we only using fake news when it comes from Mother Jones or Think Progress?

Who here is putting up info from lefty sites constantly as a source?

Besides, many of us have said several times, the majority of what we discuss is something Trump actually said or did. Trump is the source. His Twitter feed, the GOP health care bill they put forth, the proposed budget and what they will be gutting. Nobody needs a lefty site for this.

PaSnow wrote:

I may be wrong, but was Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, Bush or Obama ever being mentioned as involved in an investigation by the head of the FBI?

It's NOT normal.

You're certainly not wrong.

Regardless of what they find or do not find, an investigation that includes the POTUS and his administration in possible cahoots with Russia is a big fucking deal. I've never seen anything like it in my life. The FBI feels it has enough evidence to warrant an investigation.

#1067 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Not surprisingly Trump is having a meltdown on Twitter.

Also his approval numbers came in today at 37%.

#1068 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

What evidence do you have of collusion?

I didn't say there was any, now did I?

I said it's announced today that Trump is under investigation for possible collusion with the Russians.

You claimed the opposite, that Comey cleared him of any wrong doing. This has not happened. The only thing Comey cleared was the ridiculous lie that Obama spied on Trump.

#1069 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Here is your order of operation (I'll include today for most up-to-date example):

Post false bullshit about Comey/Trump investigation.

Anybody who bothered to read tells you that you're wrong.

You write some other bullshit insulting users and cap it off with trannies again.

Somebody calls you out on your BS.

You immediately try to discredit others in any way possible (this is your go-to move, insult, make somebody out to be a hypocrite, distort past comments etc.)

#1070 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Your bias hatred seeps into every conversation. It's beyond ridiculous.

One thing is for sure, he's angry about the trannies.

I read this type of vitriol again and again online. I think they forget the order of operation, it went something like this:

Right wing spends the last 35 years being vehemently anti gay. Starting with their "who gives a fuck" attitude of homosexual men who die of AIDS in the 80s. Rightwing "Christian" preachers go on TV and claim it's punishment from Gawd and that homosexuality is a sin blah blah blah. Gays deserve to die because they are sexual deviants.

Gays begin legally marry in states around early 2000s, then push for more acceptance/equal rights.

Right wing goes into overdrive, paired up with various religious institutions who spend millions to block equal rights, tell everybody that gays want to molest their children, use gays as a way to get Christians to the polls in 2004, and use every media outlet available to them to spread falsehoods about gays and how they will negatively impact our lives if we let them sit at the same table with everybody else.

Democrats are the first party in the history of this country to stand up for gays and demand they be treated equally.

Rightwing nuts, after being hyperfocused on homosexuals for over three decades now claim that the Democrats play identity politics and have lost touch with everybody else.

Takes some nerve huh?

Fucking douche-bags.

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