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#1071 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
Why is Mitch still here? He is a garbage poster that does nothing but antagonize. Please tell me how calling Buzz a "bigot" in anyway is accurate, let alone part of any discussion. Remove this troll for good. He has no allies, he has no friends. He's just a distraction that in no way enhances the discussion or makes this forum any better. If this nonsense is tolerated, I have no interest in posting here.
I'm serious. Look at his posting history and how many posters interact with him. Everyone but one or two people pretends he doesn't exist, and his only purpose on this forum is to post and try to get a rise of either Buzz or myself.
#1072 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
By the time they get medical treatment in Canada they are dead....no magic elixir
Wait, you think people are dying due to lack of medical care? Do you have anything to support this, or is this one of those zingers ignorant people who want to be virtuous say?
#1073 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
Death rate is flawed data. Look at all-cause mortality.
Can you clarify what you mean by this, and what direction it leads you in?
#1074 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
So rather than just post about something I spent 3 minutes reading on the shitter, I spent the past 1.5 hours researching COVID-19 numbers in the US and the EU. I did this because this is the only sane comparison you can make between the US and any other similarly populated and geographic location. I know most of you won't even respond to this post, so the effort I've put in to it was for me, and to objectively look at the data, to have an informed basis to form more complex opinions. If you haven't done this, please don't make the false claim that I'm not informed as well as you. You don't get that platform when you're too lazy to put in the effort. I'll link to every source so you can confirm for yourself (as you should do when you are presented with any claim from any source), but if you're going to disagree with me based on the numbers, please don't pretend they don't exist.

The EU has approximately 26% more people than the US (446M v 329M).*1 The EU has reported 1.557M cases and 176.8K deaths for a total death per 100k count of 39.64. *2 The US has reported 2.581M cases and 126.7k dead for a total death per 100k count of 38.52.*3
That puts the EU at 39.64 dead per 100k, and the US at 38.52 dead per 100k. So pretty similar. We also see that the percent dead per group is .4% in the EU and .39% in the US. Again, pretty similar.
So off the numbers alone, you can see that the US and EU are very similar, with the US insignificantly better from a numbers point. And this doesn't account for the discrepancies in ascribing a COVID death, which is much more liberal in the US depending on state. Immediately it needs to be noted that 3 EU countries aren't reporting data: Cyprus, Czech Republic, and Luxembourg . The EU itself does not report on how many tests have been done, but this site tracked the reports from all EU nations that provide that information.*4 We see that in the US, 33.6M tests have been done, whereas total reported tests from EU countries that report their figures are 25.4M. If you want to understand why the argument that increased testing leads to more positive tests, this is it. US figures from the CDC state that of the 33.6M tests, 3.2M return positive.*5 As the US is only reporting 2.581M cases of COVID, 3.2M tests being positive means that 20% of positive patients took a duplicate positive test , and wouldn't align with the notion that "10% of people tested for COVID have it. If every test was given to one person one time, our positive test rate would be 7.6%. As the EU doesn't report positive test rates (because they don't report test amounts), I have no comparison to make. But as other areas were so similar, we can make an educated guess.
As the EU does a poor job of reporting tests and some of the individual country's data is a few weeks old, we know the total amount of tests done in the EU is higher, but not by a significant amount. So 25.4M test x 7.6% is 1.931M cases, which is roughly 400k more than is presently reported. Again, more tests, more positives. But here's the real kicker, let's compare deaths per confirmed cases. That's the apples to apples comparison you really need. The EU has 1.556M cases and 176k dead, so 11% of their cases are fatalities. The US on the other hand (which has done much more testing) has 2.581M cases, and 127K deaths, for a 4.9% death rate for confirmed cases. Maybe if someone who was in control of information had an agenda, they would intentionally omit this data in favor of counts that appear negative to their opponents.
If anything, the EU has handled the COVID Pandemic worse than the US, and many European countries don't enforce mask wear which is mandated at least in Western Pennsylvania, which broke 100 new cases for the first time since our first positive in March.
So my position is that a virus that kills .039% of the population, 81% of which is over the age of 65, doesn't justify draconian measures and the absolute ruin of the economy and more importantly, daily life.*6
1.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph … pean_Union and https://www.census.gov/popclock/
2.) https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
3.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … in-us.html
4.) https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 … y-country/
5.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … in-us.html
6.) https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-C … /9bhg-hcku
#1075 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
Sorry dude, you’re just too misinformed and refuse to do basic research to validate your opinions. You’ve become Mitch, so with that said, good day. I hope you get the help you need to make your life happy rather than believing conspiracies about the bad orange man. There’s no point trying to engage with you on this thread.
#1076 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
Remember when Syria gassed its own people? Obama did nothing. Remember when ISIS formed and killed thousands and destroyed monuments they disliked (what else does BLM have in common with ISIS?) and Obama did nothing? Remember when Russia was actively attempting to influence our election for all of 2016 and Obama did nothing? He was briefed on it and chose to do nothing! That is treason!
Remember how China has actual concentration camps (not makeshift buildings to temporarily detain people who illegally enter the US and are free to return home on the US dime at any moment) where they’re exterminating the culture of a million+ people and the world did nothing?
For someone who self identifies with the anti-war party, you seem to want actions that lead to war.
#1077 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
Remember when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General who was responsible for thousands of US deaths through bounties and training/arming of jihadi groups? What did the left say?
Remember how Palestine pays bounties to suicide bombers at this moment? What does the left say?
#1078 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
I’m not defending anyone. In Pelosi’s press briefing yesterday, SHE said Trump wasn’t informed. I have no idea, nor do you. But you’re claiming “treason”, is the problem. You have no solution, but your goal is to remove Trump. Your concern isn’t about bounties, it’s removing Trump. I’m not going to stand by and let you dishonor dead soldiers because you have a hard on for Trump conspiracies.
How many Russian soldiers did we kill last year? Do you even know. You’re completely ignorant of foreign affairs, and get into a huff over information you have no idea is accurate. You’ve done this the past 4 years, and you never learn or improve. Even when objective experts tell you you’re wrong, you just stick your head in the sand. It’s sad and it’s unbecoming.
#1079 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
That meme is about as intelligent and informed as your previous post. Let me know when you find evidence of Melania’s body double. You haven’t found a conspiracy you didn’t accept blindly, so maybe it’s time to put you into Mitch territory.
#1080 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 306 weeks ago
So what should be done with Russia? You have no idea if the intel is accurate. Do you have an opinion, or is this more opportunity for you to latch onto an idea you didn’t research or understand, and push your anti-Trump beliefs?
What sanctions? Should we go to war? As long as the EU gets the majority of its gas/oil from Russia, there’s not much the US can do. How much do we import/export with Russia each year?
And spare me the outrage of soldiers being killed. 22 soldiers were killed in Afghanistan last year. Which ones were bounties?
Anyone else is free to chime in. What should Biden do next January? Press the reset button? Allow Russia to annex 2 more countries? You have no concept of foreign policy and live in a bubble.
