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#1111 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

I always read and appreciate the effort you put in with your posts Randall. I disagree a lot with what you say, but you do your research which is clear and I'm happy to agree to disagree on things no problem. As you said, when insults are flung then I'll return it.

I really wanted to say something on your comments on racism. Yes I called you a racist I explained why, but let me just put it out there for all.
I called you a racist after you came on posting about how George Floyd shouldn't have resisted. That was the context in which I made the reply. I think we all agree perspective matters. I have and do take back that comment. You admitted yourself after seeing the video how dumb your initial post was. I accepted that and moved on. If I respond to you or anyone with hostility, it is for a particular post. It's forgotten after that which is why you never see me constantly bringing up old shit.

All good brah.  A certain poster has repeatedly accused me of racism when he manufactures post to argue against.  Consider it a pet peeve.

#1112 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

For the record, I didn’t report anyone. I reported Mitch once, years ago for the reason everyone knows.

If someone intentionally misconstrues my post, outright lies about what I’ve said, or accuses me of being some kind of “ism” because I don’t kneel to the alter of some wokeness, I’m going to give them the response they want.

Anyone who’s been around here knows I go to great effort to explain why I have the opinion I hold. And if I’m wrong or get an interpretation I find superior to my own, I acknowledge it.

Outrageous and heinous ideas get spread through uninformed people. 9/11 was an inside job, Obama was a Muslim, Kenyan socialist, Trump was pissed on in Moscow, Clinton’s emails were evidence of some mass pedophile financial ring. Take your pick. People are free to believe what they will, and god bless them. But when someone puts forward utter nonsense and demands others see them as an intellectual with an opinion of value, no fucking way. I’ll respond with articles refuting those points, or respond to articles others provided with a thoughtful contribution.

There’s one poster here who causes problems. One. Every single one of us here has lost our cool and been a dick. Some more than others. I certainly have more than once.  But when someone calls me a racist by manufacturing what was said, I take that personal. I came from a piece of shit, white trash ignorant back woods part of the country. Before I went to college, I believed (knew) gay people were corrupted by Satan and were going to hell. I believed embarrassing stereotypes. All this was from ignorance and what my community shaped me to be. My journey through my 20s was a constant effort to correct those beliefs and improve my ability to better consider and process information. I’m fucking awesome at it, have the academic credentials, life accomplishments, and professional achievements to prove that. This isn’t arrogance. It’s acknowledging that I’m intelligent and well informed, and capable of admitting when I receive better information. Aristotle famously said “the mark of intelligence is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it.”  That’s what the forum and these discussions represent to me.

All of that is a way for me to say that I feel my effort of thought is apparent in my post, so when someone ignores that effort, and assumes or fabricates a statement or idea they can dismiss as “ist”, I’m going to respond to resolve that inaccuracy. If someone repeatedly does this, I’d be abnormal if I didn’t take it personal.

That one person is incapable of doing anything but misrepresenting and inciting others.  I’m fully responsible for my actions, but we all know (those who participate regularly here) the difference between acting in good and bad faith. And it’s very hard to remain civil to someone who is only interested in acting in bad faith to resolve whatever internal flaw compels them to behave that way. It’s not accidental and it’s not unintentional. It’s even harder when that person plays a victim.

I’m not in favor of “no rules”.  But I am in favor of discouraging posters who repeatedly misrepresents others, and then make heinous accusations against that other poster.

If someone posted they were happy that a school was shot up, or that a village of civilians was blown up, we’d condemn that right?  Like that behavior, if done repeatedly would be at least as bad as repeatedly using a racial slur, correct?  If I started posting “Fuck Mexicans!” and celebrated their deaths on the trek here, id be called out right?  I’d be banned if I repeatedly said this and stood by it?  Then why can the antagonist celebrate the deaths and destruction of COVID-19 with impunity. This poster is telling us we deserve this, and goes around accusing other posters of being horrible humans because they don’t hold whatever unintelligible opinion the poster holds at this second. And you’re curious why this forum is hostile. Read the past 30 pages and tell me in all that dialogue, what stands out. You’ll have your answer.

#1113 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

It doesn’t exist. No one, including you has seen it. So you think for a moment that if videos of neo nazis rioting during the protest existed, it Wouldn’t be front page. You linked an article because one twitter account linked to antifa was fake. But not a single video of these groups you seem to erroneously confuse with the KKK or actual neo Nazi groups doing anything.

I don’t think you saw anything, and are too proud to admit you’re wrong. You saw a story on Facebook or reddit, and went with it. If you read white power sites it’s ok, but if you really saw it, you’d at least know the site.

#1114 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

We deserve coronavirus, 200k+ deaths, and the destruction of our economy because people disagree with me politically.

mitchejw wrote:

Please feel sorry for me because my business has been destroyed by COVID-19 and the stay at home orders by my Governor and Mayor. Fuck Trump

#1115 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

I’m well aware of what antifa is. I think you’re confused again, cause 17 hours ago you didn’t know. You can find your post a page back stating exactly this:

mitchejw wrote:

I’m still not entirely sure what antifa is...

Trump is really playing with fire at this moment.

Once again, evidence of Mitch imposing his ignorance on others. Then feeling informed. Back on ignore (which in case you haven’t noticed, no one replies to you. Go ahead a look and see how many people responded to your comments besides buzz and I the past 6 weeks)

Video evidence is available for all of it. I don’t think you know what peaceful means. And DC police are saying the protesters weren’t peaceful and were pushed back for assaulting police prior to Trump announcing his move.




But continue to defend those who set fire to a church, and have harmed untold in their riots.

You’re trying to blame this on far right groups, rather than take ownership for the support far left outfits have given to antifa for years.

We all know you don’t bother to read any articles, and BibBri has failed to deliver as well. One video of your white power groups doing anything was requested, and you failed to deliver. If you lack evidence for your beliefs, maybe you should change them.

#1116 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

So did white supremacist murder black people in their sleep last night, or have we realized the media trying to blame the violence on anyone but ANTIFA is a poor attempt to cover their culpability in protecting and promoting this dangerous group.

#1117 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

You’re gonna have to go deep into reddit and twitter and social media. No mainstream websites have got them. Search for boogaloo bois or proud boys or find out the hashtags they’re using. This isn’t just a “give me a link.” It’s a disturbing journey, I might add, unless you think like them.

I guess I'm going to have to wait for the mainstream to link them like they have the videos of Antifa.  I have no interest in perusing white power garbage to find homemade videos no one has apparently seen.  With the narrative being pushed, you'd think the same media linking videos of Antifa would also link the 3%ers smashing in police vehicles or Target.  The one thing I've learned the past 10 years is video evidence is much more important than so called "eye witness" accounts.

I'm not familiar with the boogaloo boys, but google sent me to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_ … oogaloo%22.

Which claims they were present, but the three citations lead to this  article from February showing them doing  open carry nonsense: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-med … d-n1138461,

Secondly, this Salon article that talks about the history of lynching for 2 pages, then says "There are unconfirmed reports that far-right "boogaloo" agents provocateurs have embedded themselves among the protesters in Minneapolis. There's not information to know whether that's true." : https://www.salon.com/2020/05/30/a-lync … thing-new/

And finally this Vice article, that says "The “boogaloo” is code for impending civil war or violent confrontation with law enforcement, and that’s what they’re hoping to get out of the protests. Their main reason for being there is their antipathy toward law enforcement, and so they’re trying to position themselves as allies of Black Lives Matter protesters. They’ve made police brutality one of their central issues, which was explored at length in a Bellingcat article this week."   And shows a video of them guarding a store from being looted, saying they're there in support of the protest in Minneaplous.  I have no idea if that's true, but the first image they show on this article are their link saying they're there in support of George Floyd, and Duncan Lemp, who Wiki tells me is a man who was murdered in a no knock raid in March.: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pkyb … -civil-war

If this is supposed to prove to me that white power groups are out there in force, I'm confused.  That very vice article makes mention of the antifa guy bashing in the glass at an autozone.

This article which is referenced in the Vice article above seems to suggest calling them a White Power group is wrong: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05 … you-think/

Again, I had never heard of these guys until you mentioned them, but I'll say again, as much as I hate 3%ers, nothing in any of these articles is citing any evidence of them participating in violent acts. In fact the Vice article goes in much depth to correct that notion.  I have no idea, as I avoid these types of people, but I'm starting to think that maybe the narrative that this violence was done by anyone but Antifa, is completely misleading.  I'll await for evidence to show me otherwise.

Edit:  And here's another article from Denver yesterday saying the same thing: https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2020/ … est/24690/

These are the top hits from google for "Boogaloo Bois".  Based on what I read, I don't think they'll be harming people in Chicago tonight.

#1118 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

If anyone can link something showing white power groups starting attacks or fighting in any numbers, please link your sources.  Google gave me this site trying to make that argument:  https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far- … remacists/  But all their videos who Antifa.  The group being bailed out by Joe Biden's people and who the leftward media has praised for the past 2 years.  They seem in an uproar that Trump wants to declare them a terrorist organization.  After my quick acceptance of the official narrative with Floyd, I want to make sure I have video evidence before I make that mistake again.

Everything I've seen so far shows "peaceful" protest led by local #BLM groups in these cities, then some antifa thug dipshit smashing something, and others joining in.  If this is the most accurate representation of what's happening, this should be the story.  Not an attempt to shield the media and some mainstream celebrities support of Antifa by pretending Antifa thugs are actually White Power dipshits, and can then be blamed on Trump.

This NYT article from yesterday makes mention of White Power groups being filmed holding signs, but no video evidence of any violence or vandalism.  Plenty of Antifa evidence though:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/g … ntifa.html

So please, share the links you have that show different.

#1119 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

There is real worry around Chicagoland that tonight white supremacy groups will be attacking poor, minority neighborhoods.

I’ve yet to see any footage of any Alt right groups doing anything, and am eager for links to sources that show otherwise. But have seen plenty of mayors making such claims without any photographic evidence or links in their media statements.

They can be easily found using Google. I’m not going to link to their sites, but they’re there, they’re openly talking about being there on Facebook and there are photos of them with their flag unfurled during the protests.


I’ve seriously been looking for it. I don’t frequent white power sites, but YouTube gives me nothing.

#1120 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 310 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

'BREAKING: Independent autopsy finds that George Floyd's death "was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

If true it shows its just corruption after corruption with the state medical examiner failing to mention anything to do with asphyxia.

Nothing we personally didn't know I suppose.

Will be interesting to see the credentials of the person who performed this autopsy and if the family immediately destroys any chance of a high profile objective opinion. This will matter greatly in the trial.

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