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#11221 Re: Guns N' Roses » How are you grenade design? » 920 weeks ago
All the re-release needs to take off is a Chinese girl who comes with the album who'll give you a happy ending and a t-shirt.
#11222 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Can I say for the record I have nothing against Canada or anywhere else, or anyones friends. My posts have been taken a bit out of context. My point was explained a million times over about GNR's relevance HERE, which was backed up by a few other people. And that GNR's name isn't as big or carries the clout they do elsewhere, or its as meaningful to the average Joe here as people think. You want to make this how segments of the world think differently, go right ahead. My point is in the states, where GNR is based. The name, imo, has done absoltuely nothing for them. And if it did, somehow result in any sales of people buying CD only on the name alone, thinking Slash is still in the band, it is so low that its not even worth mentioning.
Bono, I like you, I usually like your posts, this was nothing personally at all. But if you're trying to act as if you're somehow nuteral and unbiased against this band, then its kind of silly. And you show it on a regular basis. I do admit .... Are you listening? ..... You are one of the more fair detractors of the new line up and Axl than anyone else here.
#11223 Re: Guns N' Roses » How are you grenade design? » 920 weeks ago
i bet they are gearing up to re-release C.D. already
That's what I'm thinking, too.
#11224 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Names Dj Ashba As Band's Newest Axeman » 920 weeks ago
I prefer the 2002 line up. But now its official we'll never get that lline up again 
But what can you do? I have no feeling about this really, because, one, I haven't heard him with the band yet and two, I really don't know anything about him.
And that Motley Crue album sucked. I mean really sucked. That doesn't really get me psyched.
#11225 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Names Dj Ashba As Band's Newest Axeman » 920 weeks ago
I think its good they did something. I'll miss Robin. Now its time to see if he can put up with the waiting, no talking and frustration that comes with the gig.
It's a different band now. Maybe he'll make it work better with Ron.
#11226 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Axlin, wtf are you talking about?
No one flipped a switch and said what was cool or uncool. And stop using grunge. It had nothing to do with it. The entire music scene changed. UYI era took a huge hit on GNR's cred. If you don't think so, fine. But the album was released before that turn, and hair bands were still successful... Those hair bands are part of what made GNR so big and great, because they were a real band with great kickass music in a sea of mediocrity. They were basically the only "big" band like that... I would even call them the first grunge band... But rock music got relevant again starting in '92 and destroyed shit metal. GNR weren't the main real rock band on the block anymore. And their image to a large extent was not cool -- I remember fans fighting over that image on the RS.com boards back in 2000! It wasn't the raw look and sound everyone fell in love with. But most importantly, they still put out great music. That's why UYI sold well. They WERE popular, but it was not the same. THEY WERE NOT THE SAME. and they weren't treated the same.
For the other responses -- Again, I have never questioned GNR's international appeal.
And half empty arenas is not a sucessful tour. Sorry. It's just not. The GNR name couldn't sell those arenas out even with a lot of people thinking it was the original band. Album or no album.
#11227 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
If the GNR name doesnt carry the weight that you claim it never did, and others say it did and does, then how did this band tour rather succesfully (relatively speaking, especially in europe) before it even had one album's worth of material published? Also, how did it manage to sell 500k copies in the US, when relatively speaking, the singles bombed? It had a pop in sales right out of the gate while simultaneously having a relatively unsucessful first single, and a totally unsucessfull second single. In my opinion, the only thing that explains this contradictory success/failure is the recognition of the brand name GNR. What else accounts for filling concerts with no released material, and selling albums with unsuccesfull material? After the first burst in sales, continued sales would be based upon the material itself, sales died rather abruptly. However, I think this band is a good band, but its not recieved as GNR.
The original GNR was viewed as the heir to the throne of the Stones and Zep. Nirvana did'nt knock them off, they were always the biggest band in the world, it just became fashionable to hate success and hate life due to grunge. But GNR was filling arenas until they stopped touring, no?
1 - I never said at any point their name never carried any weight. It did for about 3 years. But their popularity was eroding. I know people want to use album sales only when it suits them, but UYI sold half of what AFD did. Which was still a big fucking number. And people were criticizing them. And I've never questioned their popularity around the world.
2 - The 2002 tour really wasn't successful. Unless half empty arenas are what you call successful. And from my memory a lot of people showed up thinking Slash was still in the band. Maybe you guys are under the illusion that if the original band got back together they could sell out stadiums...
3 - Chinese Democracy the single did pretty well on radio. Considering. As did the album. It wasn't giant. But it didn't bomb. And if people refused to accept it as GNR but bought the album anyway because of the GNR name... That kind of makes no sense. 
Again, I'm not going down the "GNR was uncool" road... You think whatever you want to think about why GNR was looked on so unfavorably... Peoples hatred of success or the media conspiracy. Have at it.
#11228 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Give it a rest. I told you flat out how it was around here. That's how it was. Gn'R never lost steam or interest around here. I thought we'd aknowledge the fact that this has alot to do with where you lived at the time. So sorry your uncool area thought Gn'R was uncool. Never happend here. Get over it. They stopped being productve so yes naturally people moved on to others things. Gn'R was too big to be hurt by grunge. It had little to no impact on them at the time. Had Gn'R put out a true new Guns N' Roses album in 1995 or 1996 you honestly think the world would've turned their back on it. That's a delusional thought process Fuck sakes read the way the media builds up Cobain today. They say him and Nirvana came in and wiped out all the bands from the 80's and they throw Gn'R into that group as well when it's fucking so untrue. Gn'R thrived durring that era the way very few bands from the 80's did. Gn'R STOPPED being productive. END OF STORY. They did themselves in not the music scene, not the conjured up bullshit that the media was writting about. It's so fucking fake man. U2 never gets lumped in with those "80's" bands cause they were not considerd hair metal. Lazy fucking journalists lump Gn'R into that glam hair metal genre cause when writing about Nirvana and the grunge scene the article has much more punch and impact if a band like Gn'R's demise came about from grunge.
You're being so fucking dense here it's not even funny. I clearly pointed out there were people who bought the new Gn'R knowing who was in the band. It's fucking moronic though to sit here and think that EVERYBODY knows who's in and who's not when clearly I know people who bought the album thinking they were back together. That's just me for God's sake. I'm pretty sure there are others in this world who thought the same. You're living in an online bubble. People in the real world dont' give a flying fuck to check out on a daily basis who's in and who's out of Gn'R. The average Joe sees a new Gn'R album and thinks "Cool I'll buy that" without a second thought . the only dellusional person here is you who seems to think the world is as intune to the Gn'R saga as we are. Do you fucking realize how many people have asked me since CD came out if Slash is back in the band. Wake up man.
And YES there are alot of peole in 2008/2009 who will buy a new Guns N' Roses album based on the name when they see somthing new on display in a store. To think nobody bought this album based on the Gn'R name alone and that the name had no part it..... wow dude you're so in denial.
Also you seriously need some reading comprehension skills. At no point did I ever say the 500 000 copies was based soley on the name. You sound like an idiot to even try and twist my words to suggest that. yeah I'm so fucking stupid that I think every person who bought that abum was ignorant to the fact Slash wasn't in the band.
You'd be equally ignorant and even more so to think that everybody who bought that album knew who the band consisted of. There was without a doubt some arbitrary built in number where sales were based of the Gn'R name and nothing more. I can't make it any more clear than that. If you dont' get that than holy fuck.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....
Yeah. They were popular in Canada and all around the world. Whoopdie-fucking-doo. You've made it very clear they were very popular where you live, amongst your friends and highscool. Congratulations. That's not what I was talking about. Or the big media conspiracy that's out to destroy GNR for the sake of lord Cobain. You can let it go now
And Nope, never said people were intuned to the GNR saga in my "online bubble" because most people in the real world don't give a flying fuck about GNR enough to just buy their album because their name is on it. Maybe you should wake up. Which is what my original point was until you got your feelings hurt that I dare say that people thought a Slash era GNR was uncool. You have gone out of your way (along with a few others) to bash the new lineup and album. Every subject. Every thread. I'm telling you how it was here. It obviously wasn't like that in Canada, but it was here. And this was during the UYI period, not after. Sorry.
The album sold 2 million copies. And I'm sure there were people who bought the album just based on their love of GNR and Axl -- Then again, most of those people DO know what's up with GNR. The sales also had a lot to do with his music. Sorry. GNR isn't a band people are going to go out of their way to buy an album for no reason other than "GNR put out a new record." With all do respect to everyone you know who are apparently a representation to how everyone else in the world thinks...
#11229 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
How do you figure they would've sold more? Do tell...
Man, some of you guys think the GNR name held more clout than it did. They were the biggest band in the world for about 2-3 years. And the majority of their cred was really off one album. This is how the whole argument started. They are not and have never been on the same level of Zeppelin or The Stones.
You guys have tried to discredit this new lineup and Axl as much as you can, to ridiculous lengths. That's fine. Whatever. But at first I thought some of you were just disgruntled. But as the days go on and I hear your arguements that GNR was never considered uncool, the media is in a conspiracy to discredit them (Bono, you were kind of sounding like Axl there), that the 500,000 albums CD did sell was a "built-in" number of people buying the album only because of the GNR name, and not actually knowing it was a new band so it really doesn't count, and Buzz proclaiming himself the keeper of the original bands legacy like it was the holy grail or he was Gandolf, has made me realize that some of you are truly delusional. You're like a husband who can't get over his ex-wife... 20 years after the divorce.
This isn't 1991. There are not a huge number of people who will buy an album just because of the GNR name.
#11230 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
If GN'R had put out an album in 1996, with a bit of an altered sound, but traditional flavor, like Metallica's Load... it would've done the same numbers.
That album would have never happened. That's why it didn't. And that's why those guys aren't together anymore.
If UYI was released a year later it would have sold half of what it did in 91-92.
