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#11231 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
No one is questioning GNR's sales numbers. That was a huge album that still sells well around the world. I really don't see what that has to do with the conversation. The eagles albums continuously sold huge amounts since the 80's, but it didn't stop people from making fun of them relentlessly. You can insert a vast number of artists that it completely stupifies me that still have huge album sells.
ABBA anyone? Are they relevant to this argument because of how much shit they've sold?
#11232 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
People forget how dramatically the rock scene shifted in 92, and it wasn't just Grunge: The Beastie Boys got huge. Red Hot Chili Peppers got huge. NIN got huge. Smashing Pumpkins were getting huge. Weezer was on the cusp of getting huge. Marilyn Manson was about to explode. And U2 got huge...er. 
People need to stop making Kurt out to be the villain. I wasn't even a huge Nirvana fan, but Nevermind did have the same impact that AFD did. It was their turn. The media treated him like a darling just like they did Axl in the beginning. His death just put him into a mytic plain because his last album was a Goddamn masterpiece. UYI wasn't. GNR was suffering and they did a lot of it to themselves.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who remembers what was going on.
#11233 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
From what I remember from that time was that UYI wasn't as popular as AFD and they did change their image and sound --- Damn it, this was a HUGE fight bewteen GNR fans! Don't you remember they were being called sell outs? Their tours got a lot of flack. Articles gave them a lot of flack. Again, I remember distinctly the whole rock scene changed. And it was alt rock against the classic rock fans...... That still goes on.
I don't consider them to have ever had a bad album, so I agree with you there. But their name did/does not carry the weight that some of you think it does. And again, I didn't get back interested in GNR until the late 90's when Axl's new band and this new album started to be talked about.
#11234 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
At least Bono doesn't act like a little bitch when we disagree, paxcow. 
#11235 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Bono, I'm not saying this to prove a point, or be an ass. It is fact. There was a time in the 90's people considered GNR uncool. And the fans got made fun of, too. It's the way times changed. Even the band are doing their best to distance themselves away from the UYI era and albums. I'm sorry. Go look up the biography's. They were seen as a bloated cliche'. They did not get the respect that they do now.
I was there, too. People made fun of them. And it wasn't grunge or Kurt Cobain's fault. Their music/image did get tired. And the alt rock scene exploded around them. Yes, they were still popular in 1992, but that was eroding. Whether it is fair or not, they were losing cred big time.
With all due respect to you, your friends, your highschool, the dances you djayed, but I was there. Even I lost interest in them at that point. And it had nothing to do with Kurt Cobain. And there was some really lame shit going on with them at that time.
Just calm down, take a breath. If you don't think they ever stopped being cool, then fine. No one's telling you how to think. I'm telling you what I remember. GNR has never gotten a fair shake for how great they were. But you said yourself that there is/was some kind of media, Kurt Coabin-loving, anti GNR conspiracy that people are/were trying to paint GNR as uncool, so you must have seen these things that said that, despite you saying you've never actually read or saw anything to that point. So, which is it?
#11236 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
But when it comes down to it they still sold tickets and put most of the asses in the seats. If they had came out with an original album in 93/94 things would have been way different.
Things might have been different depending on what that album sounded like. It's more to the fact that poeple did dog them and use words like cliche'. A lot of guys on here think the GNR name carried much more weight than it did. They were not looked on kindly after '93. People can blame grunge, the rise of Alt. Rock, the main stream press or even Kurt Cobain, but in any case it did happen. And the GNR name did suffer after 1992. So to think the name actually had all this clout is just wrong.
GNR only came back into relevance around 99-2000, when this whole Chinese Democracy thing started to happen and people started talking about them again.
The name means more now than it did in the 90's. And even the original band has more cred than it did in that 1993-1999 span.
But to argue that CD sold as much as it did just off the name is a joke. Everyone basically knows what's going on with GNR now.
#11237 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
I know how you use "your friends" to base all your statistics to prove your points and "facts"
but I remember people laughing when you brought up GNR. That's what I remember. I also remember almost every biography or TV spot about them saying that they stopped being cool, their populairty faltering, being called a joke and were.... UNCOOL starting around 92-93.
The 90's were not kind to GNR.
#11238 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Actually, people started calling them a joke in 1992, not 93.
#11239 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
You guys are the ones living in the fanatsy world revolving around the old line up. EVERYONE called them a joke after 93. They were not considered cool. Sorry. Why don't you venture out of your bubble and read about that time.
#11240 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
MisterId you're clearly in denial if you dont' think the Gn'R name holds alot of weight and you're clearly in denial if you don't believe this album was gonna sell based off the name alone for a portion of sales.
You're the one in denial, refusing to give any credit whatsoever to this band.
The GNR name has had NO WEIGHT since 93... When everyone was calling them a joke back then.
How the name had an impact on sales was because WE were following the band/album all these years. The online community. Not everyone else, who really didn't care about GNR.
