You’re correct. I’ve been away for the past 3 days and didn’t have steady access to internet. Now that I’ve reviewed the videos, at no point do I see George Floyd resist. As far as I can tell, and we need to see the police body cameras, at no point did he do anything that warranted that type of restraint, and to allow him to continue the restrain for minutes after he lost consciousness is unfathomable.

I stand corrected. And am shocked the police would put that narrative forward with the known footage available.

None of this justifies the violence that has occurred the past 2 days. But those officers should all be charged as accomplices for 2nd degree murder.

There’s Irish, another failure in life who can’t read, so he lobs insults. Are you in 30s too living at home with your parents?  I know Atari does, just curious if all Irish men are that stupid and incapable of higher thought. Is it the drink, the ugly women, or the pedophile priests you micks have aligned yourself with. I’ll talk shit on you all day long, but don’t call me a racist. You don’t know dick about me.

The man resisted arrest after counterfeiting money. That’s why he died according to the coroner’s report. He wasn’t killed through asphyxiation or strangulation through the cop applying his knee.  Ergo, a black man wasn’t killed by a white cop.

That in no way justifies the use of force. But as untold morons are setting police cars on fire, looting stores, and harming people in nearly every major American city,  all under the guise of police brutality, knowing the facts rather than the bogus #BLM narrative. The man died because he resisted arrest, and his drug use and poor health. The same thing happened with Freddie Grey. Morons think they can resist arrest, struggle, then die in said struggle from a heart attack due to poor health and chronic drug use. Neither were “murdered” by police, let alone murdered in cold blood serving as a symbol for the riots (not protests) that followed.

Adjudicate the police officer to the full extent of the law. But criminals being allowed to resist arrest isn’t ok. It’s the real problem. More white people are shot by police than blacks, despite their demographic accounting for half of violent felonies with only 12% population. And no one can say that police are harming anyone, specifically a black man in today’s America, without intense scrutiny. 

But my point is not that the basis for the riots was all based on false information. But that even if it weren’t, it doesn’t warrant the destruction of urban America. They’re trying to storm the White House for fucks sakes. What do you think happens if they climb the fence? After the first 50 get waxed, the rest will scatter like rats.

This behavior is far more damaging and threatening to the social fabric. The facts that it’s based on a narrative not connected to reality makes it that much worse. It’s an ignorant, violent mob. And fuck anybody that supports it.

Fascinating.  And here I was under the impression that ventilators were essentially useless to the majority who utilized them.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020041 … patients#1

Can you cite an article saying any substantial portion of COVID deaths in Ireland were due to a lack of medical equipment?  I know in the US, not a single claim has been made and substantiated for that. Cuomo certainly feels that way.  Yes, I understand the argument that flattening the curve prevented hospitals from being overloaded - I said that above.  But no one has made the claim that overall death count was decreased through social distancing.  Sweden's death toll is marginally higher at this point than other nations who implemented mass lockdown, but their economy isn't harmed nearly as bad as other western nations.  Again, lack of medical care isn't a contributor to this.

Short of a miracle drug and a vaccine that is widely taken (half of you don't get a flu shot, so it stands to reason a lot of you will avoid a hypothetical COVID vaccine as well), there is no medical care other than pain management that can administered.  Spain has 49 million people or 1/7th the population of the US.  They just crossed 27k deaths.  Meanwhile the US just hit 100k, and the resident idiot of the forum thinks posting raw numbers that place the largest country in the world being remotely honest in its count at forefront is somehow evidence of mismanagement.  Again, simple math can be used to show based on population who is doing a good job versus who isn't.  But doing that math would negate the attacks on how our President is handling it, so they pretend (or maybe not) they didn't complete math beyond the 4th grade.

Here is Germany saying their economy will shrink by 6.3%, which is worse than the figure ID quoted (ID, you're so much better than this man.  I can see the racist posting this crap, but you're smart enough to compare the figures from other countries before posting an article that negates your entire point), and worse than the US's 4.8%.  https://www.dw.com/en/germany-faces-hug … a-53286176

So you have no idea how many people will die in western nation that have slowed transmission, compared to Sweden which didn't.  To claim otherwise is to just be dishonest. 

I'll ignore the homophobic suggestion that because Buzz and I agree on some areas, we must be secret homosexual lovers.

Known what?  That most of the western world was “flattening the curve” to not overwhelm hospitals. If you believe the quarantine slowed infections in the western world, cool. But wasn’t the point to slow deaths, not stop them?  Is anyone making a claim that a nation stopped COVID deaths (however loosely they’re defined - in the US, gun shots count) through lockdown?

Sweden didn’t tank their economy, and didn’t hide in fear (nor continue to do so). Before you get so smug, you need the final death counts, which are years away.

I just enjoy the goal post being moved repeatedly. And masks. I really love the idiots walking around my office wearing a handkerchief tied around their face.

But the 80 year old average death of covid were all robbed 12 years of life. Apparently COVID only attacks the healthy, and not the dying.