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#1141 Re: Guns N' Roses » Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009) » 891 weeks ago
war wrote:buzzsaw wrote:I don't mind people liking this GnR. I did at one time, but I now understand how you could like the band even if it isn't what it once was. I even get that some people prefer CD to AFD/UYI. I love Libertad, but very few others seem to. That's OK too. It's all about what you enjoy. That isn't what my posts are about.
To the general public, GnR is 80s/90s GnR. That is pretty much undeniable. As long as this band goes by that name, it will never be accepted. Never. It doesn't matter how much promotion they do or if they can keep the lineup together. GnR is Axl and Slash. I didn't make it that way, I'm just telling it like it is. No amount of anything is going to change the general public's mind on that.
So it's ok to love CD, the new band, and everything that goes along with that. My "expectations" for this band is for it to fail, which is more or less exactly what happened, however, the public's expectations are for it to be GnR if it's going to go by the name. That is really where the disconnect is...
i'm telling it how it is too, buzz.
from my point of view, same as you.You're telling it like you wish it was. I'm telling it how it is. Don't believe me? Ask some people that don't hang out at GnR boards about GnR. Not just your circle of friends, I'm talking about the general public. I didn't make this stuff up, nor do I wish it to be this way, but it is what it is. Shit, if you think ace guitar work is important and BH wasn't enough to save GnR, nobody is going to. People are always reaching for that last hope...first it was BBF, now DJ. There is no last hope. It's over.
i'm asking you, buzz...... i have a family and good job and am trying to get my music career off the ground. I don't hang out with friends and talk about gnr. i have things that are more important to do with my time. the boards are it and i'd like to trim a little time off of that as well.
as far as hope goes, ofcourse i want my favorite music star to succeed but, at the end of the day, i don't care how many albums gnr sell as long as they are made available to me. you seem to be the only that obsesses over that. y don't you point out what i said that was wrong rather than posting as if you're the prophetic messenger of priviliged information.
even if i considered cd a complete failure, buckethead has nothing to do with that, one way or the other. he is an ace but he can't save a band or an album when there are multiple other guitar players sharing licks with him and when he is not around to tour and promote his work because the album took over a decade to release. Great guitar work is necessary to a successful rock album but it's not the only factor, nor is it the X factor.
i never said dj or bumble were gonna save gnr either.
you can continue seeing it black and white but you have to understand there are always other angles and people are gonna notice different things (some only see one angle while others see many different ones). nothing about axl/gnr/chinese democracy has been black and white. there were multiple things that contributed to the successes and failures of the album and, back to my original point, if there is to be future success for "NEW GNR" these issues need to be resolved (i.e. maintaining a stable line-up through a full cycle of events).
just because i see the potential doesn't mean i'm reaching and just because it's not likley doesn't mean what i say isn't true.
#1142 Re: Guns N' Roses » Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009) » 891 weeks ago
I don't mind people liking this GnR. I did at one time, but I now understand how you could like the band even if it isn't what it once was. I even get that some people prefer CD to AFD/UYI. I love Libertad, but very few others seem to. That's OK too. It's all about what you enjoy. That isn't what my posts are about.
To the general public, GnR is 80s/90s GnR. That is pretty much undeniable. As long as this band goes by that name, it will never be accepted. Never. It doesn't matter how much promotion they do or if they can keep the lineup together. GnR is Axl and Slash. I didn't make it that way, I'm just telling it like it is. No amount of anything is going to change the general public's mind on that.
So it's ok to love CD, the new band, and everything that goes along with that. My "expectations" for this band is for it to fail, which is more or less exactly what happened, however, the public's expectations are for it to be GnR if it's going to go by the name. That is really where the disconnect is...
i'm telling it how it is too, buzz.
from my point of view, same as you.
gnr is mostly a nostalgia act just like ac/dc.
the difference being that ac/dc is the same old band and put out the same old record and so the same millions of people that bought razor's edge went out and bought the new album.
gnr, on the other hand, lost a few old timers due to the politics of the band name and line-up change, etc.
to axl's credit he put out an album that isn't the "same old" product. the benefit of that and the new band is, if they can continue to make decent music, they can create a new following to add to what's left of us old folks.
most people that weren't around when axl swam with the dolphins, don't care about the politics of gnr.
they need to, like i said, get their act in gear though if they're gonna have any chance. a lot of this now hinges on what dj is capable of as well. gnr is not nin. nin can succeed with elementary level guitar work. gnr falters with anything less than great guitar work. most of gnr's fate now relies on the line-up in place. we'll see what they can do or cannot do soon enough.
#1143 Re: Guns N' Roses » Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009) » 891 weeks ago
i think we all have different expectations for gnr and a different idea of what success is. if gnr reformed and put out cd on nov. 23 i don't think they would have met the expectations that some of us built. cd was one of the better selling albums of '08 and it was in one one store for a little over a month. i choose to look at it that way.
right now buzz is right about album 2. if it comes, it will sell less than cd but if gnr gets it's act together, makes a successful tour, puts out a re-release with a killer single and/or sorry, MAINTAINS A LINE-UP, cd will have a sales spike due to the best buy deal concluding and cd 2 would have a good chance to do well if the material is good enough. the "melting pot" theme, however, will not work for album 2.
#1144 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy/Rock Band 2 (Tracks Leaking?) » 891 weeks ago
some of the guitar parts are easier to play for real than on the game
#1145 Re: Guns N' Roses » Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009) » 891 weeks ago
i agree that it is comparing apples and oranges but i disagree that promotion won't help gnr succeed moving forward. i think axl can do what ozzy did. the difference being that axl kept the gnr name. any problems that has cost him are already apparent. he needs to rebuild his credibility. music, combined with promotion, has the power to change peoples' minds.
#1146 Re: Guns N' Roses » Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009) » 891 weeks ago
you have to have output to be relevant. you have to have output to become relevant after being irrelevant from 15 years. Axl knows this and/or is sorrounded by people that know this (i.e. azoff). I still maintain my point that as the cd saga dragged on axl/gnr probably realized this one album wasn't gonna jetison the band back to super stardom. I have a feeling material was saved for another album and/or creating a brand new album in far less time, after figuring out who's in the band, became a priority.
if axl doesn't want stardom i still thinks he wants to release music. i would be amazed if we don't see another album/s or if it takes more than 4 years at the most.
#1147 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy/Rock Band 2 (Tracks Leaking?) » 891 weeks ago
Axl is tough to understand sometimes so I want to see them from the man himself.
One thing I just thought of is that the correct lyrics will finally be available sans typos in the RB2 songs.
"ask yourself why i would choose to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame."
As i said so from day one.
Any other questions?.....Let me know.
#1148 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy/Rock Band 2 (Tracks Leaking?) » 892 weeks ago
take care buzz
#1149 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy/Rock Band 2 (Tracks Leaking?) » 892 weeks ago
war wrote:best buy totally got screwed
No shit.
They waited until the deal was about to expire to even attempt any legitimate moves. It was a chess move. They sacrificed two singles and the album's initial buzz to clear the debt and then ride a potential second wind with Rock Band and what's sounding like(and Brain's interview definitely insinuates it) a rerelease with a remix bonus disc of sorts. Hell, I can imagine a scenario where some of those remixes are the actual future singles.
If we start hearing announcements in the coming weeks of things such as appearances on Leno, Letterman, SNL,etc., we could be on the verge of a No Line on the Horizon type promo blitz.
All aboard?
Choo Choo!!
a very good chess move, don't get me wrong.
do you think gnr would do leno, letterman, snl?
#1150 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy/Rock Band 2 (Tracks Leaking?) » 892 weeks ago
best buy totally got screwed
