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#1141 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
Russia deploys missile in apparent treaty violation
Moscow has deployed a cruise missile in an apparent treaty violation, a senior military official told CNN Tuesday.
The move is just the latest in a string of Russian provocations in the early days of the Trump administration, which has called for warmer relations with the Kremlin.
The traditional US adversary has also positioned a spy ship off the coast of Delaware and carried out flights near a US Navy warship, concerning American officials. The administration has not officially drawn any links between the three events.
The ground-launched cruise missile seems to run counter to the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, the senior military official said. The New York Times first reported is deployment.
While declining to speak on intelligence matters, a spokesman for the US State Department did draw attention to Russian violations of the treaty.
"The Russian Federation remains in violation of its INF Treaty obligations not to possess, produce or flight-test a ground-launched cruise missile with a range capability of 500 to 5,500 kilometers, or to possess or produce launchers of such missiles," acting spokesman Mark Toner said in a statement issued Tuesday.
"We have made very clear our concerns about Russia's violation, the risks it poses to European and Asian security, and our strong interest in returning Russia to compliance with the treaty," Toner added.
Just last week, a US navy warship in the Black Sea had three encounters with Russian aircraft Friday that were deemed to be unsafe and unprofessional because of how close the Russian planes flew to the US, according to a senior defense official.
The USS Porter, a destroyer, was operating in the Black Sea when it was approached three times by Russian aircraft, including one IL-38 and two SU-24s. The Navy calculated the Russian planes may be have flown as close as 1,000 yards laterally from the ship and 1,000 feet over the water, but did not cross the deck of the Porter.
Moscow pushed back on the allegation Tuesday, with Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov telling Russian state media "there has been no incident on February 10th involving flybys of Russian military planes in the Black Sea next to USS Porter."
Meanwhile, a US defense official told CNN that the Russian spy ship, the SSV-175 Viktor Leonov, is sailing in international waters off the coast of Delaware. The vessel is outfitted with a variety of high-tech spying equipment and is designed to intercept signals intelligence. Fox News first reported on the ship's location.
The official noted that this is not the first time the ship has been deployed off the coast of the US. Similar patrols were carried out by the Leonov in 2014 off the coast of Florida and in 2015, adding that such missions were much more common during the Cold War.
The Russian cruise missile would be capable of threatening NATO's European members. Secretary of Defense James Mattis is due to visit NATO's headquarters to meet with his counterparts Wednesday.
"The INF Treaty eliminated an entire category of weapons that threatened Europe, in particular the threat of short-warning attacks. The treaty remains a key component of our security, and any Russian non-compliance is a serious concern for the alliance," a NATO official told CNN.
"NATO allies have the capabilities in place to ensure that Russia will not gain any military advantage from disregarding the INF Treaty," the official added.
The Kremlin's moves come the day after Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign after failing to fully disclose conversations he had with Russia's ambassador to the US concerning US sanctions while he was not yet in office.
The Cold War: Then and now
Trump has in the past expressed interest in arms reduction talks with the Kremlin and indicated he would seek a new opening with Moscow.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer, however, said Tuesday that, "The president has been incredibly tough on Russia."
Spicer pointed to UN Ambassador Nikki Haley's recent remarks on the Russia's actions in east Ukraine and occupation of Crimea, adding that Trump "expects the Russian government to deescalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea.
"At the same time he fully expects to and wants to be able to get along with Russia unlike previous administrations," he added.
In a Tuesday evening tweet, the Russian embassy in Washington said Russia "will continue to patiently explain to the new US administration why Crimea is Russia."
Trump himself, though, repeatedly praised Putin on the campaign trail as well as since being elected, while offering few if any criticisms.
Asked about sanctions against Russia, newly minted Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Tuesday that sanctions were an important tool but would not specify any intensions towards Russia.
"Our current sanctions programs are in place, and I would say sanctions are an important tool that we will continue to look at for various different countries. But it's a very important program within the Treasury Department," Mnuchin said.
In contrast, Sen. Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, called for a strong response to the cruise missile.
"If the last administration showed us anything, it's that ignoring these kinds of provocations simply means they will proliferate," he said in a statement. "I've said before we need to set firm boundaries for Russia's behavior -- and enforce them to the hilt. I take this news as evidence that the US should build up its nuclear forces in Europe."
#1142 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
Flynn falls on the sword for Trump...does anybody really believe he acted on his own here?
#1143 Re: The Garden » Mary Tyler Moore has passed » 508 weeks ago
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/mary-tyler-moo … 33054.html
I'm super weird but...she was my first "crush"
Yes me too. In an Oedipus complex sorta way...
RIP.
#1144 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
I think you can't piss off the CIA, like Trump has done and get away with it.
They're going to get him(leak damaging information or acquire such info) when the time comes or some rogue employee will leak stuff.
This.
Trump has made a lot of enemies already, and he had a lot of enemies prior. Leaks are doing to happen, and I expect something big eventually.
#1145 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:Can we talk about how the GOP and others just would not stop about Hillary's emails but Trump is taking national security calls in the middle of a restaurant and has classified material on his dinner table while waiters are milling about and diners are within earshot?
Really makes you wonder if they really stood for anything...if they ever really meant anything they said...or if they are just as full of shit as anyone.
They stand for nothing: Family values, financial matters, national security, they don't care, and their constituents will follow/repeat anything. They proved it with Obama and they are proving it again with Trump. It's maddening to watch.
#1146 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
Trump wins the election and his peeps are still claiming voter fraud. A strange bunch indeed.
#1147 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
OK so two "that we know of."
How many people do you sincerely believe are out there making up fake voter registration cards and voting? We have a pathetic turnout for registered voters in this country. Are we to also believe that with such apathy there also exists a group of (millions) people who conspire to vote illegally and go to the trouble of creating highly credible false documents in order to do so? This year they all just happened to vote for Hillary too, all 3 million of them.
You guys should hear yourselves sometimes...it's ridiculous.
#1148 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/ … gally.html
But got forbid people need a state ID to vote. Nothing to see hear folks.
Nothing to see indeed...
Roughly 8.5 million votes cast in Texas/one case of confirmed voter fraud.
.000000125% of voters.
#1149 Re: The Garden » Channel 4 news segment on UK Alt Right Internet trolls » 508 weeks ago
Got to be a parody right?
Hiding behind the frog mask....gotta love it.
#1150 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 508 weeks ago
I like Nevada, but I also think flyover country has the most beautiful scenery. Seattle was the perfect balance for me.
Seattle is a lot of $$$$. May still move there one day though.
Utah is one of my favorites, but the air pollution is some of the worst in the country during the winter months. I'm also not a big fan of Mormons.
Southern NV has it all for me: Mountains, outdoor lifestyle, entertainment, good weather, great food, affordable housing and great location. I can ski here, or go to Utah in a couple of hours. Grand Canyon, Arches, Moab, Zion, SoCal are all close by. Northern Nevada (Reno) is a totally different animal. Small city, no real traffic to speak of, amazing outdoor lifestyle, Tahoe, decent food choices and close to San Fran (beautiful drive.) The cost of housing is much more though and it's cold most of the year. Most people like one city and not the other. I actually like both for different reasons. After living in both places, and even though I prefer cooler weather, I'd pick Vegas.
