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#1151 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses planning new album - 'It's too good not to happen!' » 462 weeks ago

The thing is...they don't play any new songs live yet......

They played stuff from UYI prior to that coming out....and songs from CD since 2001 when it didn't come out until 2008.

The fact Axl does not demo a new song live suggests to me they don't have the current will to do anything new and that it isn't the label.

#1152 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses planning new album - 'It's too good not to happen!' » 462 weeks ago

The thing is, if CD2 is already mostly recorded then the cost to the label of releasing anything would be a lot smaller, they'd just have to pay for mixing, mastering and promo...they'd save the entire recording cost process.

It's hard to believe they'd skip that - even a poorly performing GNR record would out-peform a lot of the smaller rock acts that labels put out (think Buckcherry etc)

My guess would be if negotiations broke down with the label, then it has to be that GNR asked for something that would alter the financial attractiveness of that deal to the label.

If for instance they wanted an unrealistic marketing commitment in advance, or 1990s level promo or tour support or something that modern sales can't justify unless you have a guaranteed smash. 

Otherwise it makes no sense. Even a bad GNR record would move a certain amount of units and the recording is paid for. There is very little reason for a label to reject it.

#1153 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses planning new album - 'It's too good not to happen!' » 462 weeks ago

I kinda thing maybe there's nothing happening for him.

Like if you look at the themes of his records...

AFD seems to be true stories from their life on the streets.

Lies is kinda autobiographical too (you're crazy, one in a million, patience) about Axl's past.

UYI very much deals with the problems going on at the time - the pressures of fame, emotional loss etc.

CD is mostly lost love songs, a couple about fame politics and believing in yourself, lawsuits and the decisions etc.

They are all about what Axl did or was doing.

But you'd imagine his life now is relatively stable. He seems more positive mentally most of the time, there's not the massive dramas going down in his life, and he's already told most of his personal stories.

I'd hope he can write more songs like Catcher and Civil War that seem to be about his views on wider issues...but you'd imagine it might not happen quite as often.

#1154 Re: Guns N' Roses » One Year Later - Did you get what you wanted? » 462 weeks ago

zelfitz wrote:

That being said, if you had told me in early 2016 that now, in the midst of a summer where this band is touring the world, people would have lost interest and all the boards would be dying I would not have believed you.

It's really surprising, but then reading the rest of your post it starts to make sense to me.

To me this tour seems to be about the casual fans. It's for people who missed the UYI tour. Of course the shows are great - it's Axl, Slash and Duff.

However for people like me it's a little frustrating. Axl sounds good some nights but I can't shake the feeling they waited until he was starting to struggle to do this - this stuff 7 - 10 years ago would have been mind blowing performances. It's still awesome...but it's not the greatest thing of all time like it probably would have been back then.

People like me notice the small things like the drumming but then I accept the masses out there don't give a shit.

Then there's the lack of new material. Most of these big reunions have some kinda come back single or album. Van Halen, Ac/Dc, Motley, Soundgarden...the absence of that sort of cements the feeling that it's just a victory lap before the end...and makes there less to talk about.

So as you said I just dont have much to say day to day about it.

Despite all that I'm still sort of hopeful they could do something else. Axl has albums worth of half done stuff. Slash can record an album in like 2 weeks. Axl can still do that Ac/Dc scream. In the studio they could still rock my world....you wouldn't place a bet on them doing it any time soon...but then you never know with GNR....

#1155 Re: The Sunset Strip » The JAMES BOND 007 Thread » 462 weeks ago

RIP.

In other bond related news I read the other day there are plans to develop "spinoffs" so it has it's own "universe" of related movies like marvel / godzilla etc.

I dunno if this means we get a felix movie and a moneypenny movie or what.

I love bond films but I think that wouldn't end up well.

#1156 Re: Guns N' Roses » European Tour 2017 Thread » 462 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Asst tour manager is the job you give your sister's useless kid who can't do anything else, and your mom gives you shit to give him a job that makes him sound important.

Yeah it's probably a nonsense job. But I'm jealous anyway. I mean we're at desks or whatever and he's touring the world listening to GNR every night...also he could learn the ropes of how shit works over all the past tours and eventually leverage his way from the experience into doing stuff for other artists too.

I guess good luck to him really, it's just one of the less palatable outcomes in the GNR fan stories to me. It's beyond me how he could trash Slash so badly and then be still welcome when Slash returns. But the whole organisation has been crazy for a long time.

#1157 Re: Management » Is This Forum Dying? » 463 weeks ago

It's kinda one of those self-feeding things at some point too.

Like the place isn't as active as it was - and so there's not as much feedback - which limits the desire to post new threads - which limits content - which makes it even less active....so one posts less....

To me it's just a combination of new methods of chatting to GNR peeps like facebook taking up a bit of time, and then there not being as much new content with the band these days or maybe there is but there's less chance of the promice of new stuff. Like if you think about it - in 2004 we were in a lul but it was only 3 years since we'd heard brand new songs live etc.

These days even if they decide to bust out silkworms on a whim its a 15+ year old song that we're still waiting for lol.

I do miss the golden era of this forum though, somewhere around 2006 before we all got into as many fights too!

#1158 Re: Guns N' Roses » European Tour 2017 Thread » 463 weeks ago

A Private Eye wrote:

Jarmo is assistant tour manager?

Yup.

It's one of those things that's hard to get your head around.

I mean the guy openly mocked Slash and people who like slash for around a decade.

Additionally while GNR no doubt has it's share of bad users and trolls he was openly hostile, aggressive and patronising to many fans - the same people who are really the bands consumers and customer base.

So on an artistic level he mocked the art, on a commercial level he mocked the patrons.

This is rewarded with a dream job in the industry.

Only in GNR I guess.

#1159 Re: Management » Is This Forum Dying? » 463 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

By your account, when you say 'troll accounts,' I'm led to believe that it's done with direct intent and consistency. Could you elaborate more? It's still a concept that I don't quite grasp.

Typically a troll joins a forum for the sole purpose of getting into arguments and irritating other readers. The more emotional responses the troll gets - then they more amusement they have on the topic.

Usually this is done by taking an inflammatory stance on a topic,  or purposely misunderstanding other users posts and writing rebuttals or agreements to a position falsely attributed to the first poster that will cause further outrage.

Typically the troll does not actually believe the positions they type, but is engaging in the conversation simply to waste the other person's time or gain amusement from the distress it is causing people who do care about the issue.

It's distinct from healthy debate and discussion with differing opinions on issues, as a troll will literally take any position just because of the hysteria it causes in others rather than actual logic or beliefs.

#1160 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses planning new album - 'It's too good not to happen!' » 463 weeks ago

I think it depends on what a person takes from GNR.

Ever notice how alone none of the members really nail the complete sound alone?

Chinese Democracy missed the guitar rawness of Slash. Slash's stuff missed the power of Axl's voice. Duff's stuff is punk but without the blues of the others, Izzy's is Americiana but without the solos and voice....

So on one hand you can say none of them did anything GNR outside of GNR.

On the other hand, if you listen closely to the parts and fill in the gaps, you can hear the records that never were.

You can listen to TIL, TWAT, Cather, Blues, Madgasgar and imagine what UYI Slash would play on those songs.

You can listen to By The Sword, Anastasia, Ghost, Sucker Train Blues, Neither Can I and imagine what Axl would have sung on those tracks.

Slash has a shit ton of riffs that were just as good guitar wise as GNR but are not as well appreciated because they didn't get the full GNR process.

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