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#1171 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Aussie wrote:I actually think he would be a fascinating person to sit down and actually talk properly to. It would be interesting to know what makes him tick and do the often seemingly stupid things he does.
You have more patience than I do. I'd get sick of him. His pretentious vibe would drive me nuts. The fact he comes off as though he genuinely feels his words carry more weight and have more substance than the average person irritates me. You can see it in his letter, the guy thinks he's above everyone and everything. Plus I'd lose my mind listening to him blame everyone and everything else for everything. And you know he would.
I'd find him interesting but man when he goes into though long winded confusing answers it would drive me nuts like Bono. The weird thing is half of his prose is pretty straightforward but then he just goes off on these long tangents and I just get confused. Sometimes simpler is better.
I do feel sorry for those people who shelled out a lot of money to attend the HOF ceremony though. I'm talking about the casual fans who haven't really followed the saga since 1995 or so.
#1172 Re: The Garden » The MLB Thread » 761 weeks ago
Time for a thread bump since the season has finally started.
General impressions (that probably don't mean much) after a week of games:
Tigers will win the Central in a cakewalk. Will the White Sox win enough games for Kenny Williams to avoid being canned after the year? This was mentioned a few pages ago but his roster construction of the White Sox is brutal.
AL East--murderer's row division. Rays, Yankess, Blue Jays, and Sox all look like contenders. Sox still in hangover mode though. Actually the new playoff format will probably help these teams.
AL West--Mariners offense looks better than expected. Cespedes looks like Sosa with Cubs in the early to mid 90s. Rangers look like a playoff lock to me.
NL West--Padres look like one of the worst teams in baseball. I don't think the Dodgers have enough offense to win the division. Lincecum's velocity is down and he's gotten shelled the past two starts. This is Arizona's division to lose.
NL Central--Three team race with Cards, Brewers and Reds. Bottom half is brutal with the rebuilding Cubs, offensively challenged Pirates and another rebuilding team in the Astros. Pirates are the most boring team in the league to watch.
NL East--Nats have a chance at this. The Phillies are very suspect on offense and need Howard to come back pronto. I've given up on Utley with his bad knees. The Marlins, who really knows? All I can say is that I didn't expect Ozzie to put his foot in his mouth so early in the season.
#1173 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
He's going to have problems with Interscope wanting to release another Guns N' Roses record without Slash on it.
Who are we kidding anyway? He'll probably take months in the studio trying to find the correct guitar solo to cut and paste in.
#1174 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Well my take on the whole thing....
First thoughts are he is a very bitter old man that doesn't appear to have grown one ounce over the last 20 odd years. Rather he seems to have gotten worse, he is even more bitter and nasty now if that's possible. Not that I needed this HOF statement to confirm that.
As Monkey said, it seems the fact that he can't control this whole thing is definitely an element in his decision not to be there. Sounds like he has tried to negotiate with them over who is going, or who gets to play or maybe even who gets inducted.
I thought this comment was interesting:
the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.
Maybe it was a big shock for him to come up against someone that actually said "NO" to him for a change. Must be a slap in the face to find out that not everybody bows down at the Rose Altar. Although just because someone didn't agree with him or bend over to accomodate him it doesn't automatically mean he's not wanted or respected. But then again when those people you sourround yourself with for years don't have the word "No" in their vocabulary when you want something, it must come as quite a shock when confronted with it.
Another point, who is this "we" he speaks of? Is he not his own fucking man?
Since then we've listened to fans
Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards
This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective
I'm sure it is the Lebeis' and Del no doubt. This whole "our camp" thing is really divisive. He speaks like they are waring factions and they all sit around a table and discuss their military strategy for everything. I'm sure they probably get involved in the decision making these days on when is a good time for him to take a shit. Why can't he man up and just say "I'. Take your balls out of your camps purse and be your own man for once, make your own decisions. The irony of him having a swipe at "the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types". Is he not able to see the greed and conflict of interest of those around him that are sitting on his own gravy train?
I also find these two statement contradictary:
had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame,......Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.
If you haven't made any requests or demands then what is there to "work out". If you are after an "amicable solution", this implies a solution that is acceptable to both parties. Therefore it must involve some type of requests or demands from both sides. So which is it?
I thought this was a swipe at Sorum too:
along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make
But if he doesn't feel Sorum should be there then I would have thought by logical extension that it means Dizzy shouldn't be there either. Nice!
Finally, to refuse to accept his induction altogether is unforgiveable. That to me is another chance for him to indirectly control/influence the other old guys by basically shitting on their parade. By all means don't go for whatever petty reasons but seriously, don't fucken refuse the award. Yes it's his right, but fuck me have some level of graciousness and consideration for others for just once in your life.
I found this curious too:
but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.
Is he implying the ball is in Slash's court for a reunion??? What does he want him to do?
Rep for Aussie for cutting through the BS and pointing out all the contradictions in this letter.
I was confused on who the "we" in the letter was as well.
#1175 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
You know I never fully expected him to go there and perform with the old band. But I did expect to go up there and accept the induction with the other guys. If he wanted to he could just stay away from Slash and Adler and just leave afterward in the private jet.
Instead, he pulls out the old "mysterious forces" excuse again. Sometimes in life, we all do things we don't want to. I thought he would have shown if only to thank the fans. Those fans are the only reason he has that huge mansion in Malibu.
Contrast that with the Duff letter from yesterday. Duff seems totally appreciative of the love that he received from the fans. Yeah, he could have no showed but he chose to go to give back a little to the fans who have given him a lot over the years.
Axl should have followed that example. I totally forgot that this letter came out 3 days before the induction. It stinks for the fans who learned of this at the last minute.
#1176 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Yeah, it definitely sounds like a cop out. Even Axl isn't that insane to think that any of the new guys deserve induction into the hall of fame.
#1177 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 761 weeks ago
Yeah, they should definitely bring back the old WWF Gold Eagle heavyweight and ditch that spinner shit belt. That thing looks really retarded.
I don't think they'll dump Smackdown. It gives them another show to showcase guys and it has a different feel than RAW. With the WWE network in limbo, they need another outlet for weekly wrestling other than RAW.
#1178 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Jeez that was a really long winded letter. Some of it was rather confusing. Axl will come off as the bad guy again and as usual it's self inflicted.
I'm not sure why people are blaming Adler. He's been singing the same tune for years now.
#1179 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 761 weeks ago
Another great article written by Duff there. Thanks for posting that, Aussie.
#1180 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 761 weeks ago
Guys like Orton and Cena are gonna have to get back into the title picture. Punk is the only real threat to either title WWE or WHW. Who else is there? Del Rio? Shaemus? Trust me, those dudes are NOT gonna be guys who sell PPV buys. Even the good ones back there like Bryan, Swagger, even maybe Cody Rhodes down the road, are just nowhere near company leaders. Brand franchises. Jericho & Big Show have had their day, as has HHH.
This is another problem I have with them. The World titles have been made practically useless because there have been so many title changes during the past year or so. What does it say about the World Heavyweight Title when the match was only given 18 seconds at Wrestlemania? Shockingly enough, Bryan is starting to get over with the Yes! Yes! Yes! stuff.
But the TNA thing is very interesting. Last I heard the ratings have plateued, there getting even older constantly riding Hogan, Flair, and Bischoff to move the product. You just know Vince Russo is in charge, apparently he didn't learn his last lesson with WCW in 2000/01, which is ALOT of what TNA looks like right now. Alot of talent, but a total lack of direction and funds. I don't see how much more run they have in them, unless Dixie is fine just getting by as are the other wrestlers, and I don't even know how much profit they make. Are their live shows still free?
They FINALLY fired Russo a few months ago. Sadly, Hogan/Bischoff wields most of the power there backstage. They just received a 2 year contract extension from SpikeTv. So it doesn't appear that they will be going anywhere in the short term. Most of the money I believe is from Dixie's dad and not Dixie herself. As you said, her problem is that she has no fucking idea how to run a wrestling organization. That's why the wrestlers (specifically the "name" guys) are running the asylum there. They should have just hired Paul Heyman a year or so ago when he was really interested in joining them.
They do have interesting wrestlers but the other major problem here is that half their PPV always end up with some crappy dq finish or something retarded. Vince, for all his faults, usually gives the fans what they want in regards to the big PPV matches.
