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#1181 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

TheMole wrote:

Trump is a stupid cunt, there's just no other way to put. I'm pretty sure you're not, but you're being fooled by his bravado and posturing.

He's not fooled. He just wants to stand next to the winner. Prior to the election everybody thought it would be Hillary, including Flagg. So he took the opportunity to prove he wasn't a partisan hack and instead was a contrarian who saw Hillary as more capable. He even wrote a big post about it. Once Trump was the President Elect (or even when it became evident that he would probably win), he dropped that shtick and ran back to Daddy. There is no criticizing Trump now, none at all.

#1182 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

Conflicts of interest, potential Constitutional violations and other complications related to his business...we're just getting started. No way Trump makes it four years.


Countries where Trump does business are not hit by new travel restrictions

The seven nations targeted for new visitation restrictions by President Trump on Friday all have something in common: They are places he does not appear to have any business interests.

The executive order he signed Friday bars all entry for the next 90 days by travelers from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and Libya. Excluded from the lists are several majority-Muslim nations where the Trump Organization is active and which in some cases have also faced troublesome issues with terrorism.

According to the text of the order, the restriction applies to countries that have already been excluded from programs allowing people to travel to the United States without a visa because of concerns over terrorism. Hewing closely to nations already named as terrorism concerns elsewhere in law might have allowed the White House to avoid angering some more powerful and wealthy majority Muslim allies, such as Egypt.

But without divesting from his company, as bipartisan ethics ­experts had advised, Trump is now facing questions about whether he designed the new rules with his own business at least partly in mind.

“He needs to sell his businesses outside his family and place the assets in a blind trust, otherwise every decision he makes people are going to question if he’s making the decision in the interests of the American people or his own bottom line,” said Jordan Libowitz, the spokesman for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a liberal watchdog group. The group has filed a lawsuit arguing that Trump is already in violation of a constitutional provision barring federal officials from accepting payments from foreign officials.

More:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … 3502f9c29c

#1183 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

What, are you stupid? Bill Clinton could have killed Bin Ladin the previous year and did not. That was a well executed plan and after that time not another one happened. I can't blame Bush on that attack when at that time there wasn't near the threat that we have now. That was the pre 9/11 policy. The previous attack on the WTC was 8 years prior. Bush had been pres for 8 months. That attack was planed way before 8 months. Do we blame Clinton too? There is word they got a vague warning.

Bush was given a memo that said "Terrorists plan on hijacking planes and flying them into buildings" as weapons...and chose to ignore that intel.

Like the Bush admin, Clinton had both domestic and foreign born terror attacks on US soil during his time in office. Under Clinton those who attacked us (first trade center bombing) and Oklahoma city bombing, were both rounded up and put in jail (and executed). On the other hand, Bush went into Iraq to look for WMD and let OBL drift away.

PaSnow wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

I give Obama credit if you give Bush credit for a total of 0 Islamic Terrorist attacks in the US post 9/11-Obama inauguration.

What??  Are you fucking stupid??  Zero AFTER the worst disaster in US History?!?  That's the most absurd argument I ever heard?!  THAT is what his and Dick Cheney's legacy is.  I swear if it occurred when a Democrat was President we'd never have another Democratic President for 50 years.  But when it's a Republican all we hear right away is "Obama's gotta get outta there.  He's soft!"

Republicans are fucking stupid.

It was only 3000+ in NYC dude...calm down. Besides, it was Clinton's fault, not the terrorists.

PaSnow wrote:

Should we ban all Christians from owning guns?

It would be a good start...heh heh

#1184 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

No one has ruled this unconstitutional. .

Our courts don't work that quickly, so I'm not sure what your point is.

There are already lawsuits being filed. But many law scholars are saying it is, as well as members from both sides of the aisle (And Mike Pence himself not long ago.)

#1185 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

First week:

Start trade war with Mexico

Unconstitutional executive order banning Muslims (which again is also great propaganda for fundamentalist nutjobs around the globe)

Trump supporters applaud. We're only getting started. This lunatic is going to burn everything to the ground.

#1186 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 510 weeks ago

I don't understand why Trump is doing this with Mexico. What's the point? Nothing good will come from it. Not for Americans, and not for Mexicans. It's  destructive on many different levels.

More than anything it shows what kind of man Trump is. He swings down, never up, like a bully. Our trade deficit with China is roughly 370 billion. Mexico by comparison is 58 billion. Do you think he's going to pull this kind of shit with China? (Although he's certainly dumb enough to) Of course he won't, because China will eat our fucking lunch if he tries anything like this. They have the ability to wreck us. Instead he picks a poor country to go after, using lies about illegal immigration and ignoring much larger trade deficits with other countries while addressing his rubes.

If Trump really continues down this path he'll ultimately hurt their economy (and possibly ours) which would then send Mexicans over here looking for work anyway. Such a brilliant man, and an astute diplomat!

#1187 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 511 weeks ago

Another law suit for screwing over his workers.

Trump hit with $2 million suit by contractor on D.C. hotel

An electrical contractor is suing President Donald Trump’s Washington hotel for $2 million over what the contractor contends are unpaid bills for “nonstop” work performed to open the luxury lodging at the Old Post Office Building last year.

The suit filed in D.C. Superior Court by Laurel, Maryland-based AES Electrical, also known as Freestate Electrical, contends that the company was instructed to rush work on electrical and fire alarm systems at the hotel in advance of a visit then-candidate Trump made there for a “soft opening” in September and again for the “grand opening” of the hotel in October.

“Acceleration of Freestate’s work required Freestate’s crews to work nonstop, seven days per week, 10 to 14 hours per day for nearly 50 consecutive days, prior to the ‘soft opening,’ at significant additional cost and expense for which Freestate expected payment,” the complaint filed by attorneys Roger Jones and Nicole Campbell says. “Subsequent to the Hotel’s ‘soft opening,’ Freestate was required to continue its acceleration efforts and the performance of extra work in order to permit the ‘grand opening’ of the Trump Hotel by October 26, 2016.”

The suit makes several references to the importance to Trump’s presidential ambitions of getting the hotel open. The complaint says the October opening was set for just before the election “to provide an opportunity for positive press coverage for Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.”

Freestate says the Trump Organization has offered to pay only one-third of the project change and acceleration costs the contractor incurred. The suit contends that Trump’s businesses have a practice of unfairly pressuring contractors to accept reduced payments on projects.

“On information and belief, Trump’s actions in refusing to pay for work performed, after a project has opened, is a repeated practice of the Trump organizations on various projects, evidencing a typical business practice mean to force subcontractors to accept ‘pennies on the dollar’ with respect to amounts owed for the cost of the work performed,” the complaint says.

Freestate filed a lien on the Trump property last month as part of the same dispute but took the matter to court last Thursday, one day before Trump’s inauguration. The contracting firm suggests it went to court because of concerns Trump might divest his financial interest in the project. The hotel operates under a lease from the federal government that says federal officeholders should not benefit from the arrangement. Trump’s lawyers contend that provision only restricts participants in the lease at its outset and not situations that arise after the lease is signed.

Trump has resisted calls to divest from any of his businesses, but the White House says he has turned over management of the companies to his two adult sons.

The suit also names as a defendant the general contractor on the Trump hotel project, Lend Lease of New York, but says that firm claims to be holding back funds from Freestate at the Trump Organization’s direction.

Lawyers for Freestate and the Trump Organization did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

A nearly $3 million lien filed against the hotel by a plumbing and heating contractor, Joseph J. Magnolia Inc., appears to have been resolved.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the … cal-234167

#1188 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 511 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
slcpunk wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Why bother with the pretext...what's up down and down is up now.

They still talk about voter fraud, even though it's like .0001 percent and the only people they caught last election voted for Trump a couple of times.


Lie. They found 700+ bad votes for Hillary in Detroit alone.

This is what happens when you get all your "news" from right wing shit sites.

AP FACT CHECK: No proof of mass vote fraud in Michigan

DETROIT (AP) — A widely shared story that claimed in headlines that Michigan had mass Democratic voter fraud and that more than half of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's Detroit vote faces disqualification is false. State election officials say there is no proof to back up either claim.

The story posted by Higgins News Network on Dec. 6 is headlined: "Michigan Recount: Over 1/2 of Hillary Clinton's Detroit Vote Faces Disqualification," with an updated headline on Dec. 7: "Michigan Recount Halted After Mass Voter Fraud Discovery," with a subhead: "Federal Judge Officially Stops Michigan Recount After Discovery of Widespread Democrat Vote Fraud."

The claim comes from reports that many precincts in Detroit — which Clinton won with about 95 percent of the vote over President-elect Donald Trump — could not be recounted because the number of ballots stored in a sealed container on election night due to scanning machine malfunctions did not match the number of voter names recorded in a poll book.

In such cases, election night totals stand in the recount and are not disqualified.

It is not uncommon for there to be slight inconsistencies between the number of stored ballots and the number of voter names in a poll book, typically due to human error, but Michigan's elections bureau has ordered an investigation into discrepancies in about 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts.

Fred Woodhams, a spokesman for the Republican secretary of state, has said the differences would not have affected Trump's narrow victory over Clinton in the state.

Clinton cut into Trump's 10,704-vote win by only 102 votes during Michigan's recount, which covered more than 40 percent of the statewide vote before courts stopped it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ap-fa … an-2016-12

#1189 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 511 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Why bother with the pretext...what's up down and down is up now.

They still talk about voter fraud, even though it's like .0001 percent and the only people they caught last election voted for Trump a couple of times.

#1190 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 511 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Everyone knows Climate change is real!

The overwhelming majority of scientists around the world...yes.

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