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#1191 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 320 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
The $15 minimum wage, tax funds for solar, requiring boards to have X amount of seats for women and minorities. If you're going to link a politifact article, at least make sure it addresses the things you claim it does. Like seriously, your link is talking about the house bill that was signed last week, and has nothing to do with the stunt pulled over the weekend. Get informed. It's like you and Mitch seek out headlines to defend your "side" rather than find evidence to support your personal opinion. "They're not ranting about Trump, and calling out bad behavior from Democrats, so let me google a headline I can link to generate some authority behind my belief they're wrong without forming my own opinion."
I'm starting to think the whole thing was fake news to begin with...I did not see any of the stuff ID posted on any of my trusted sources. It seems like it was a misinformation piece designed to make Dems look stupid.
Less than 12 hours ago you were defending these things. Now you're calling them "fake news". JHC
#1192 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 320 weeks ago
What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
The $15 minimum wage, tax funds for solar, requiring boards to have X amount of seats for women and minorities. If you're going to link a politifact article, at least make sure it addresses the things you claim it does. Like seriously, your link is talking about the house bill that was signed last week, and has nothing to do with the stunt pulled over the weekend. Get informed. It's like you and Mitch seek out headlines to defend your "side" rather than find evidence to support your personal opinion. "They're not ranting about Trump, and calling out bad behavior from Democrats, so let me google a headline I can link to generate some authority behind my belief they're wrong without forming my own opinion."
#1193 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 320 weeks ago
So none of the pork Pelosi was demanding made it, proving it was all a political stunt. Shame.
#1194 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 320 weeks ago
WASHINGTON — The White House and Senate leaders of both major political parties announced agreement early Wednesday on unprecedented emergency legislation to rush sweeping aid to businesses, workers and a health care system slammed by the coronavirus pandemic.
The urgently needed $2 trillion pandemic response measure is the largest economic rescue measure in history and is intended as a weekslong or monthslong patch for an economy spiraling into recession and a nation facing a potentially ghastly toll.
Top White House aide Eric Ueland announced the agreement in a Capitol hallway shortly after midnight, capping days of often intense haggling and mounting pressure. The deal still needs to be finalized in detailed legislative language.
“Ladies and gentlemen, we are done,” Ueland said. “We have a deal.”
The economic rescue package would give direct payments to most Americans, expand unemployment benefits and provide a $367 billion program for small businesses to keep making payroll while workers are forced to stay home.
One of the last issues to close concerned $500 billion for guaranteed, subsidized loans to larger industries, including a fight over how generous to be with the airlines. Hospitals would get significant help as well.
“After days of intense discussions, the Senate has reached a bipartisan agreement on a historic relief package for this pandemic,” said Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a key negotiator. “It will rush new resources onto the front lines of our nation’s health care fight. And it will inject trillions of dollars of cash into the economy as fast as possible to help Americans workers, families, small businesses and industries make it through this disruption and emerge on the other side ready to soar.”
At the White House on Tuesday, even as the public health crisis deepened, President Donald Trump expressed eagerness to nudge many people back to work in the coming weeks and held out a prospect, based more on hope than science, that the country could be returning to normal in less than a month.
“We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought,” Trump told a Fox News town hall. He said he’d like to have the country “opened up and just raring to go” by Easter, April 12. But in a White House briefing later, Trump said that “our decision will be based on hard facts and data.”
Medical professionals say social distancing needs to be stepped up, not relaxed, to slow the spread of infections. At the White House briefing, the public health authorities said it was particularly important for people in the hard-hit New York City metropolitan area to quarantine themselves for 14 days and for those who have recently left the city to do the same.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, said pointedly at the briefing, “No one is going to want to tone down anything when you see what is going on in a place like New York City.”
On Capitol Hill, five days of arduous talks produced the bill, creating tensions among Congress’ top leaders, who each took care to tend to party politics as they maneuvered and battled over crafting the legislation. But failure was never an option, which permitted both sides to mark big wins.
Even before the deal was reached, news of the likely but elusive agreement had sent the stock market rocketing on Tuesday. The rescue package would be larger than the 2008 bank bailout and 2009 recovery act combined.
The package would give one-time payments of $1,200 per adult and $500 per child directly to the public.
A huge cash infusion for hospitals expecting a flood of COVID-19 patients grew during the talks at the insistence of Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, while Republicans pressed for tens of billions of dollars for additional relief to be delivered through the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the lead federal disaster agency.
Democrats said the package would help replace the salaries of furloughed workers for four months, rather than the three months first proposed. Furloughed workers would get whatever amount a state usually provides for unemployment, plus a $600 per week add-on, with gig workers like Uber drivers covered for the first time.
“It ensures that all workers are protected whether they work for businesses small, medium or large, along with self-employed and workers in the gig economy,” Schumer said.
Republicans won inclusion of an “employee retention” tax credit that’s estimated to provide $50 billion to companies that retain employees on payroll and cover 50% of workers’ paychecks. Companies would also be able to defer payment of the 6.2% Social Security payroll tax.
Democrats pointed to gains for hospitals, additional oversight of the huge industry stabilization fund and money for cash-strapped states. A companion appropriations package ballooned as well, growing from a $46 billion White House proposal to more than $300 billion, which dwarfs earlier disasters — including Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy combined.
To provide transparency, the package is expected to create a new inspector general and oversight board for the corporate dollars, much as was done during the 2008 Troubled Asset Relief Program bank rescue, officials said.
Trump in recent days has sounded a note of frustration about the unprecedented modern-day effort to halt the virus’ march by essentially shutting down public activities in ways that now threaten the U.S. economy.
Even though Trump’s administration recommended Americans curtail activities for 15 days, starting just over a week ago, the Republican president said he may soon allow parts of the economy, in regions less badly hit by the virus, to begin reopening.
He continued on that theme Tuesday as he weighed a relaxation of social distancing guidelines after the 15-day period is up. His suggestion that the pandemic could ease and allow a return to normalcy in a mere few weeks is not supported by public health officials or many others in government.
On Tuesday, top defense and military leaders warned department personnel that the virus problems could extend for eight to 10 weeks or longer. Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a Defense Department town hall meeting that the crisis could even extend into July.
Trump has balked at using his authority under the recently invoked Defense Protection Act to compel the private sector to manufacture needed medical supplies like masks and ventilators, even as he encourages them to spur production. “We are a country not based on nationalizing our business,” said Trump, who has repeatedly railed against socialism overseas and among Democrats.
For most people, the new coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia and death. The vast majority of people recover.
The virus has caused a global pandemic that has sickened more than 425,000 people and killed about 19,000 worldwide. In the United States, more than 55,000 people have been sickened and more than 800 have died.
#1195 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 320 weeks ago
They're preventing you from staying afloat. You just said you let all your people go, and the Democrats are keeping you from getting a loan to save your business because they think now is the time for $15 minimum wage and to fuck with carbon emissions. Jesus Christ. You celebrate when the virus comes, and you stay the course when it's gonna kick you out of your home in 6 months. You said you just had a son, and you're celebrating COVID and Democrats incredibly selfish actions - actions that are directly harming you and your family. This may end up costing the Democrats the election; the last thing the American people want right now are people fucking them over to cater to the Bernie crowd. Get help man, seriously. You're a bonafide masochist
#1196 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 321 weeks ago
#1197 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 321 weeks ago
If you two are so uninformed on what's been occurring the past 2 weeks with legislation, and what's going on right now (you seriously should be paying attention to this), maybe you shouldn't be so quick to make false statements. But just as Democrats are today bitching about the legislation McConnell made public yesterday, Republicans were bitching last week that the House bill that was signed Wednesday put the onus on guys like Mitch to fund paid leave, which will end up putting them out of business without federal loans. There isn't time to debate these bills for months, and people need immediate support. So the house bill was passed quickly with the understanding subsequent bills (like McConnell's) will rectify problems in the phase 1 bill.
I guess I just have a hard time reconciling "we're all in this together" with "Fuck Trump, we deserve this and did you see Melania's stand in?" "Did I mention, Fuck Trump. It's not like we attacked him for closing the border and preventing what happened to Europe because they refused to - oh we did. Well nevermind. I don't know what he should be doing, but he hasn't done enough. Fuck Trump!"
#1198 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 321 weeks ago
Your party just put you out of business. And you want to blame Trump. Astonishing. I'm sure you won't be applying for any loans or stimulus packages that the GOP and Trump pass next week. I think I need to take a break from this thread. I don't need the aggravation.
#1199 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 321 weeks ago
Biden can just flood the market with ads or the video of Trump saying "Coronavirus is a hoax" and win.
I mean, how could that lose?
Could't Trump just run the same ads of Democrats saying he's overreacting and a racist for denying Chinese entry? The border? His payroll tax and many other benefits. Democrats just fucked guys like Mitch with their unfunded mandate, and you think Trump telling people not to be hysterical is bad. You're aware Biden has lied about being arrested, his voting history, he dropped out of the race in 88 for plagiarism, berated Anita Hill. The reality is no one knows what's going on, and the numbers show Trump is handling this better than any European country thus far. If we're okay in 3 months, Trump gets credit. Meanwhile he'll have plenty of footage of Democrats demanding illegal immigrants be released in mass during the epic of all of this. Priorities to the Wisconsin voter and all that.
Biden has to win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win the election. Trump is up in Wisconsin and tied in PA.
#1200 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 321 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:buzzsaw wrote:I posted an article from someone with impeccable credentials and he said what I've been saying for weeks. That's pat on the back worthy for sure.
Dude, no one can get more passionate than I can. But you're arguing about "owning" people. I'm bored too, but c'mon. Some poster(s) have made it clear they want chaos to hurt Trump. They're despicable. Don't be like them.
That's what I've done? I want chaos to hurt Trump? just curious how you feel about my current challenge...you probably don't...
If you're expecting me to take pleasure in your assumed misfortune, you're wrong. I don't like how you conduct yourself on here, and you did say "America deserves this [because they voted for Trump]", but I don't know you and I don't wish bad things to happen to you. The Democratic House rushes a bill that requires you provide paid sick leave for up to 12 weeks, for any of your employees that have kids home from school. The Senate and Trump signoff on it because we need something to protect the working class, and assholes like Rand Paul don't get to fuck over Americans for political points. I don't think it's going far enough. McConnell's proposed bill sounds fantastic to me, and I fully support Democratic asks that companies be prohibited from paying off executives and/or buying back stock, with requirements for no layoffs. Trump wanted to end the payroll tax last week, to help people like you, and the Democrats attacked him for it.
McConnell wants to open up 50+ Billion dollars in small interests loans with all kinds of tax work to guys like you, so you can weather the storm the next few weeks and make payroll. I want more, but if that's what McConnell's offering as a start, you know it will be more. I don't want you to go out of business, and I don't want your employees to go without. I don't think you or they deserve it.
Maybe since you're finally invested directly in decisions, you should look at the ideas of each party and its leaders and align yourself with the one who appears to be most eager to help people like you stay afloat.
Whatever it takes to keep this from spreading and whatever it takes to keep people from living as worse or worse than 2008, I'm all for. The last thing we should be doing is playing political games like some leaders are, and ignoring what's in the best interest of every American. I think Trump's done as good a job as anyone, and people who are cheering for him to fail and this to get worse so that Democrats can regain power are truly evil. I don't think you really want that, because I don't think you're evil. I wish you the best and hope you and yours make it through this storm.
