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#1221 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 802 weeks ago
misterID wrote:There is trolling. And there is difference of opinion. The two are not the same. And it has nothing to do with negativity. I think Mikka is a troll, without a doubt, when it comes to the main GNR boards. To the point where it gets to personal insults. Yet people will support and defend Mikka and not call him out because they agree with Mikka's "negative opinions." That's trollish behavior. It's not about someone having a negative opinion, I can get along with people who don't think it's GNR, it's when it goes past just being personal opinion and you're deliberately starting an argument (with almost every post about the new line up, Axl, whatever) or deliberately being a dick.
I think that nearly everyone at HTGTH is a troll. And they're all "positive."
I've never deducted karma from Mikka, even when he's called me an idiot and shit like that for the simple reason that I disagreed with him. And even though I've gotten negative karma for telling him to shut up for doing it to others. There's not an even handedness to people with just "negative opinions" about GNR to keep things civil. It is what it is.
I've seen the same thing go both ways. I think we tend (myself included) to have selective memory on some of these things.
This.
I personally think that misterID is a troll and is doing everything to downplay the old band's members' ipmortance and abilities, escpecially Slash's. I think he's extremely defensive of the new band and I often can not believe that a sane man can write things he's doing. But I've never given him negative karma for it, cause I consider the slight possibility that he's only living in a different universe, where Axl's GN'R isn't a trainwreck. I've even given misterID positive karma and publicly apologized, when I thought I acted like a dick. How many here did the same?
BTW I'm really sorry for losing my head in some (I think 2) debates.
Anyway, I barely even post in the main section, except the last few days, cause nothing interesting is happening for me, as I'm only interested in a new Axl album. I don't have a bit of interest towards the replacements' replacements, but if misterID were right about the trolling, I would run across the Tommy and DJ threads shouting how much they suck. It hasn't happened.
#1222 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guitarist DJ ASHBA: I Have No Reason To Kiss Axl Rose's Ass » 802 weeks ago
GOOD BOY! I knew he had it in him.
That's how you do it. That's all I was asking.
Agree. The sum of it is all what we expected.
Funny that while Axl is constatly referring to it as a 'band' and how the 'band decides', DJ clearly says that it's all up to Axl. Nobody's shocked though.
#1223 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » COREY TAYLOR: "I Guess It Just Wasn't Working Working For SLASH" » 802 weeks ago
I think I understand Axlin, in that Izzy is/was a songwriter, Slash wasn't. And that's not slagging Slash. But Izzy was a much bigger force in the writing of the songs. With the riffs and solos, and stuff, it's like saying the interior decorator is more important than the architect. If Slash brought in a riff, Izzy was a dude who could make a song out of it.
It wasn't a dig at Slash and it's not saying Slash wasn't important, because he was.
As I see it, if you get rough plans for a hovel, but you make it the next Sixtine Chapel, than you are the genius and not guy who thought a hovel would be good enough.
And I still can't get over the FACT that 90% of the signature guitar riffs and solos that made GN'R famous and that are always on the best of all times lists were written by Slash. Slash and not Izzy. I'm happy to have Think About You, but SCOM is the fucker, and not the stupid D,C,G,D chord progression, but the enormous riff the song starts with, the variations of that theme popping up again and again and those monstre solos. Izzy was important in writing (to simplicize the songs to the masses), but Slash was the most important musician of the band, since his style made it so unique. Without him, there would have been no Guns N' Roses, just Rapidfire II.
BTW I agree with Monkey that 80% of Slash's post-GN'R work is GN'R quality music wise and with an Axl caliber singer, only musicians would tell the difference between the classic band and the Slash/Axl only incarnation.
#1224 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » COREY TAYLOR: "I Guess It Just Wasn't Working Working For SLASH" » 802 weeks ago
Slash can write as fuck. Who wrote the WTTJ riff? Slash. Who wrote the SCOM magic riff? Slash. Who wrote the PC riff? Slash. Who wrote the Coma riff? Slash Locomotive? Slash. Who wrote all the solos, NR, Estranged, AFD etc? Slash. He wrote almost EVERYTHING that matters music (guitar) wise in GN'R. Not You Ain't The First is Guns N' Roses, but Don't Damn Me.
Slash only has problems with writing ALONE a FULL, OVER-THE-TOP song. But the other 3 has had the same problem. I'm sick of the revisionist downplay of Slash's importance and genius in Guns N' Roses. He's the most underrated GN'R member ever @ the boards.
#1225 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH: Next Solo Album To Arrive In March/April » 802 weeks ago
Well 75% of that key formula, is still the majority - so they are Guns N' Roses.
The answer is Axl N' Slash. That made them sound almost Guns N' Roses live.
#1226 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » COREY TAYLOR: "I Guess It Just Wasn't Working Working For SLASH" » 802 weeks ago
Sorry, but I can't stand Izzy's solo work. It sucks except like 5 songs. All the songs sound the same and there isn't an ounce of creativity. Your Izzy stuff is a myth. Axl and Slash made GN'R this huge. They were the aces.
Izzy was extremely important in GN'R, both on a personal and a music level, but he's the less significant artist of the Big 4. I agree that without Izzy, GN'R would have never got this big. They probably wouldn't even have been together. But this can be said about the others, too.
Izzy is magical with the other 3, but he's nothing without them. While the other 3 guys can achieve something alone, although it's not on pair with their previous works.
#1227 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH: Next Solo Album To Arrive In March/April » 802 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:I agree with the both of you. YES, it died after Izzy left... and you know when that was? July 17th, 1993.
It's "death clock" started as soon as Izzy left. 1992/93 Guns were still VERY MUCH Guns N' Roses.
Izzy left in 1991. He played a few shows as a contract player in 1993, but he was not part of the band's writing process at that point. The 1992/1993 touring act was a shell of the real GN'R and a zombie band that was already dead but didn't know it until they got back from the tour. Without Izzy's writing contributions, they realized they were fucked as a studio band.
They were dead as a creative band long before Izzy left. It was one of the reasons why he quit. Post 1988 it was a telephone band only. They tried to get their shit together, Slash, Duff and Steven, but the others weren't interested. That's why UYI is more of a solo album collection, than a real band album.
#1228 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » COREY TAYLOR: "I Guess It Just Wasn't Working Working For SLASH" » 802 weeks ago
Agree. Slash is irreplacable. Nobody can even close to him in writing riffs and solos, performing, and he has that Superstar thing that a very few has. I do think that Duff was a very important member, too, cause his melodic, yet poweful bass playing is very unique, and he's a good songwriter, too, if it's a band situation.
I think musically Izzy was the easiest to be replaced, cause his solo songs are...erm...very bad and unispired, except a few. Even in GN'R, if you combine all his UYI works (except YCBM) it's not on the level of Locomotive itself. He needed the others to explore those 3 chord nonsenses. I love his sloppy, dirty rhythm playing though, but I think it was more of what he was capable, than what you'd call a style.
#1229 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guitarist DJ ASHBA: I Have No Reason To Kiss Axl Rose's Ass » 803 weeks ago
I'd never question Axl's artistic abilities (unlike some here, who are doing this in Slash's case). Axl is one of the greatest songwriters and performers of all time. Period.
My main problem is the time it takes for him to do/finish anything (yeah, Axl decides, it's his band, his life, yaddayadda), and those people who can never learn. Some of the guys I mentioned have learnt their lesson (Tommy, Richard or Dizzy don't talk about GN'R plans and the 'mind-blowing unreleased music' anymore). I know that watching Axl in front of you performing songs/bites nobody has ever heard can be really impressive. But how could DJ, with half a brain, gurantee the fans that it will not take as much time as CD, if he has yet to make a note of new music with the band and all he's doing is the 1994-2001 band routine: sending ideas to Axl, which he might find interesting. I'm sorry, but I feel like it'd be the same vicious circle of the Millenmium GN'R again and again.
#1230 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guitarist DJ ASHBA: I Have No Reason To Kiss Axl Rose's Ass » 803 weeks ago
It's amazing how fans should be happy with whatever material Axl has in his vault, finished or unfinished, as long as we don't hear it. 'It didn't take him 15 years to write only one album' - probably, but in the last 20 years he released only one album and as it seems he's not willing to flood the world with music in the forthcoming years. Maybe he has other 3 albums of material - but if it takes 50 years for him to release it, then it's just 3 albums in 50 years. This Guns N' Roses Fantasy Music Game (with the best songs still remaining unreleased, now and forever, of course!) is booooring.
I'm shocked how much influence Axl can have on his people - Baz, DJ, Tommy 2002-2004, Richard 2002-2006, Dizzy - 2006 all sound the same brainwashed believer in a sect. Same bullshit praise, different year. Axl Rose is like an artistic God who doesn't need to prove the existing of his art, and nobody can force him to do anything, but he is the reason, the beginning and end. Pathetic.
(And since I'm not a fan of CD I just don't see the huge potential for the next album of unreleased songs, but that's just me.)
