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#1231 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
The world is laughing at us...
#1232 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
It was so nice having a smart, compassionate, articulate President that I was proud of. Very sad to see he and his beautiful family go. Sadder than I thought I'd be. Thank you President Obama.
I know. It sucks. And we're getting the exact opposite as a replacement.
#1233 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
#1234 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
FBI, 5 other agencies probe possible covert Kremlin aid to Trump
WASHINGTON
The FBI and five other law enforcement and intelligence agencies have collaborated for months in an investigation into Russian attempts to influence the November election, including whether money from the Kremlin covertly aided President-elect Donald Trump, two people familiar with the matter said.
The agencies involved in the inquiry are the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and representatives of the director of national intelligence, the sources said.
Investigators are examining how money may have moved from the Kremlin to covertly help Trump win, the two sources said. One of the allegations involves whether a system for routinely paying thousands of Russian-American pensioners may have been used to pay some email hackers in the United States or to supply money to intermediaries who would then pay the hackers, the two sources said.
The informal, inter-agency working group began to explore possible Russian interference last spring, long before the FBI received information from a former British spy hired to develop politically damaging and unverified research about Trump, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry.
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#1235 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
There is a book named "Chasing the Scream" that studies drug use and it's impact on culture. It also is about legalization vs. our war on drugs. They found that countries with more lax laws on drugs (or no laws at all) had lower rates of addiction, and less crimes overall (related to drug use and sales.)
Criminalizing something with such high demand makes zero sense, unless you are a for profit prison system or a drug runner I suppose. I think the argument that more people will try drugs because they are legal is bunk. If heroin became legal in Nevada, I wouldn't then be more inclined to use it.
#1236 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
slcpunk wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 … 7f7qzl.jpg
Seems pretty normal. Lol
He's doing something that makes sense, letting Americans out of jail for archaic and over zealous punitive prison sentences for drugs. The Republicans actually agree with this too...except for maybe Obama doing it.
Some are legit...
Some are not...
Did he really have to wait till the end of his presidency? Why not let some out earlier?? After watching making a murderer why didn't he get Brandon dassy out earlier?
They always do 'em on the way out the door.
#1237 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
Random right wing outrage word generator: Cracked skull, commutation, transsexuals, polls, PC culture run amok, BLM, Social Justice Warriors, femi-nazis, liberal media, welfare queens, CIA (only for Trump's pee pee report), attack-on-Christianity, LGBT, Hollywood, Rachel Maddow, gun grabbers, baby killers, unwed mothers, France, birth control pills, Happy Holidays, cracked skull...did I say cracked skull? Immigrants, freedom haters, and kale chips.
#1238 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 … 7f7qzl.jpg
Seems pretty normal. Lol
He's doing something that makes sense, letting Americans out of jail for archaic and over zealous punitive prison sentences for drugs. The Republicans actually agree with this too...except for maybe Obama doing it.
#1239 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
3 more days then the Trump critique becomes for real. Going to be exciting 4 years Mates. Good or bad it will be interesting. I can't wait to get this show on.
Wanna take a bet on four years? lol
#1240 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 486 weeks ago
Just when you thought the Trump ethics disaster couldn’t get worse, it did
Richard Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2005 to 2007 and is vice chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Norman Eisen, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2009 to 2011 and is the chair of CREW.
For two weeks now, the majority leadership in the new Congress and the incoming Trump administration have been conducting a war on ethics. This has ranged from the effort to cripple the Office of Congressional Ethics to the Senate’s rush to confirm President-elect Donald Trump’s nominees before their financial conflicts disclosures were complete to Trump’s own inadequate plan to address his ethical problems.
The head of the Office of Government Ethics issued a stern and unusually public rebuke of President-elect Donald Trump's business separation plans. Now House Republicans are summoning him to answer questions about it. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
The latest front involves the Office of Government Ethics and its director, Walter Shaub Jr. , who has had the temerity to speak up against Trump’s plan to deal with his conflicts of interest as “meaningless.”
Both of us, former ethics counsels for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, respectively, have worked with Shaub, a career public servant who, in our experience, provided nonpartisan and wise advice. Now, Shaub is being pilloried — and may be at risk of losing his job — for doing just that, and asserting correctly that Trump’s approach “doesn’t meet the standards . . . that every president in the last four decades has met.”
How does the Trump plan fall short? The president-elect asserted that the conflicts laws don’t apply to him but ignored the most fundamental one of all: the constitutional rule that presidents may not accept cash and other benefits — “emoluments” — from foreign governments.
Trump’s lawyer then offered a porous and insufficient plan to address this problem: The Trump Organization will donate profits from foreign governments’ use of his hotels. But why only hotels? What about foreign sovereign payments to buy his condos or apartments, for use of his office buildings or his golf courses, not to mention his massive foreign government bank loans, and other benefits? And why only profits, when the Justice Department has long held that the emoluments clause covers any revenue from foreign governments — not simply profits?
For speaking up about the shortcomings of this plan, Shaub found himself in the Republican crosshairs. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah), chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that has jurisdiction over the White House, demanded Shaub appear for a Star Chamber-style recorded inquisition and implicitly threatened to shut down the Office of Government Ethics if Shaub did not submit. Chaffetz ought to have been doing the exact opposite, supporting OGE and demanding documents from Trump about any financial ties to Russia or other foreign governments.
Then, just when we thought it couldn’t get worse, it did. The incoming White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, went on national television to threaten Shaub. In a scene like something out of a gangster B-movie, Priebus warned the director that “he ought to be careful ” and gave his blessing to Chaffetz’s interrogation. Priebus’s glare of menace was unmistakable. The only thing he left out was cracking his knuckles.
Priebus went on to make assertions about Shaub that were false. For example, he claimed Shaub was “political” because he “may have . . . publicly supported Hillary Clinton,” which is simply untrue. Shaub has done no such thing. (Before becoming director, Shaub made modest political donations, as did his Republican predecessor.Indeed, both of us have also exercised this same First Amendment right.)
Priebus also attacked Shaub’s competence, and so his livelihood, questioning “what this person at Government Ethics, what sort of standing he has any more in giving these opinions.” In fact, the director is a dedicated and talented ethicist who has served Democratic and Republican presidents alike with distinction and without controversy for many years. He has already approved 54 percent of the Trump nominees who have submitted their paperwork to OGE, compared with just 29 percent at this point in the Obama transition eight years ago. If the White House chief of staff had made these kinds of threats against the head of OGE when we were serving in the White House, we would have resigned immediately.
We think apologies are due Shaub. In addition, we recommend that Republicans back off of their threats. How about Chaffetz instead publicly affirm the need for the agency and invite Shaub to have a public conversation about that and about Trump’s conflicts with both the majority and minority members of the committee? We are sure that Shaub would accept such an offer and explain to the committee and the public why his concerns about the president-elect’s plan are well founded.
Finally, and most important, Chaffetz should agree to take a hard look at that plan, including asking Trump for documents about it. That would be the best step of all in pivoting to fight for ethics, instead of against them.

