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#1231 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
I didn't vote for Trump, so I don't have to hope he does or doesn't do anything. He can't do shit alone. I seriously don't get why you guys post such stupid shit. You're not that dumb, but you let your anger and contempt prevent you from seeking any sort of truth as to why what happened actually happened.
#1232 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Hahaha, I will give you credit buzz for having insight in the stupidity of America that I vastly underestimated, so congrats, more people stayed home and more dumbasses showed up and voted Trump and third party. Their reasons for voting have been funny and sad. Like not understanding that Trump isn't going to keep their prescription costs down, that was Obamacare, and he's vowed to repeal it. But the fact the world economy was giving a peek at the uncertainty of global markets and you can't fathom what that means says you guys deserve everything you get and everything you'll lose. You better hope Trump is a world class liar. If his economic plan goes through, there ain't gonna be a lot of bragging on here...
I've called almost everything right. I didn't think he'd win, but it had no chance of being the landslide Clinton victory many expected. And still you post shit like this instead of making any effort to understand WHY it happened.
#1233 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
You need to educate yourself. There's next to nothing a president can do alone. Also I never said anyone was credited with anything, I addressed the bullshit fear mongers saying the economy was going to immediately tank by looking at futures as though they have any idea how the economy works.
#1234 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Down reaches all time high.
I think I'll pass on panicking still. The fear mongering has been disgusting. LBQT people aren't going to lose all their rights. The good parts of obamacare like preexisting isn't going away. The economy isn't going to crumble. I seriously can't believe people are this stupid.
Are you serious about this?? The Dow fucking DOUBLED with Obama, and split nearly in HALF under our previous Republican President. Yesterday it goes up a modest 250 or whatever and I read "Down reaches all time high." As if Trump was helpful to it and validates our reasoning for electing him?? You didn't even spell "D-O-W" correctly?!
Thank my phone for the spelling. May your phone be better than mine.
Fuck yes I'm serious. The Dow was indeed at an all time high despite repeated warnings of how the economy was going to immediately crumble after Trump won. The point was all this fear mongering that people are doing is a bunch of bullshit. The world isn't going to end. Gays aren't going to be shot randomly on the street. Women don't need to expose their pussies for the grabbing on command. It's all a bunch of bullshit used to keep the weak minded in check.
#1235 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Down reaches all time high.
I think I'll pass on panicking still. The fear mongering has been disgusting. LBQT people aren't going to lose all their rights. The good parts of obamacare like preexisting isn't going away. The economy isn't going to crumble. I seriously can't believe people are this stupid.
#1236 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Ha ha ha. This thread has turned hysterical. Trump will be just fine. Now, everyone chill the fuck out.
Seriously, when I woke up yesterday and checked my phone, saw that Trump was ahead (244 - 214 at that point) I literally got nauseous, sick to my stomach and took the day off. There is no chilling out for me, I'm deflated and depressed, not angry. Not because of a fear of what Trump might or might not do (there' that as well, just reading through the list of potential names for his cabinet is disturbing), but because of what it says about the electorate. This has forced me to realize that a much larger percentage of Western society has yet to evolve past their basic cave-dweller instincts, and that is incredibly depressing and sad.
If that's why you believe he won, you need to educate yourself. Soon. Now. This was not a referendum on Trump.
#1237 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:What is their to learn? You act as though the Republican Party has reinvented itself.
You're not even trying to learn from this. Step back. You seem to think you're really smart. Prove it. There's something to learn from everything.
Alright, this is my attempt. You have to understand that emotions are running high right now and I acknowledge that I am saturated with these emotions.
I get that. It's probably less emotional for me as I didn't like either candidate...I was more fascinated by the whole thing from a sociology point of view.
At the same time, I do believe in democracy and if that means Trump is president, then I accept it. Even if it means I am in the minority for the foreseeable future. I still believe in my values and I will not be swayed in one direction or the other because of the results of the election. Again, I accept my role as being a representative of the minority and I accept all of the things that go along with being in the minority.
I have never been critical of our "2-party system" in the context that in all honestly, in a perfect world, it's the things that we do together in the 2 party system that result in the best outcomes for everyone. And in all honesty, that is what I want. I do not want anyone to suffer. I want to believe that Republicans have my personal best interests at heart, as well as the group of us that we call United States' citizens as a whole. I'm skeptical.
The reason I voted for Johnson besides a strong dislike for both candidates is that I wanted a 3rd party to get 5% of the vote so they could get federal funding. I think if/when that happens, it will force them to work together, which is when things get done that benefit everyone. Compromise. It felt like when I was a kid they worked together for 3 years and then the year of the election would be more combative. It hasn't been that way in some times. They are campaigning/grandstanding every day of every year. Nothing gets done that benefits everyone when that happens.
I do want to personally apologize to Randall Flagg. I once wrote in this thread that "he had contributed nothing" to this country without really having known him. I couldn't be more incorrect. I apologize for letting the heat of the moment and my emotions to get the best of me. Right now, you and SG and a few others on this thread have your fingers on the pulse of something that escapes at the moment. That matters and it should be acknowledged.
Allow me to be self-indulgent for a moment. I am a business owner. I am responsible for a modest sized group of people who make me look good on a daily basis. I am responsible for federal and state unemployment payments, liability insurance, health insurance for some, mileage reimbursements....and all sorts of other obligations that I not only take very seriously, I also have nothing but gratitude for the fact that I am in the position that I am...
In the end, I still believe in what I believe in....and I will still fight for the things that I believe in...I think someone in this thread asked me once if there was anything I thought was worth fighting for....I have/am/will fight for a single mom of 3 who raised me, my brother and my sister on a minimum wage job. It's not so much for her, but for the future mitchejws. We would not have made it without food stamps and medicaid. And if it matters, my mother was so ashamed to have to apply for and use food stamps. But by no fault of my own or anyone else's my father decided to abandon us and leave us to fend for ourselves. That's something worth fighting for...and it was government that saved us on more than one occasion. These are programs that so many conservatives loath.
I was on food stamps occasionally as a kid. I am all for supporting those that genuinely need support when they need the support. What it shouldn't be though is a way of life or an excuse not to work. You should be required to do some sort of work to earn your support if you are physically capable of doing so. Even if it's cleaning gov't buildings, some sort of job training...anything instead of just getting a handout. I promise if people have to work anyway, they will go get a job and come out ahead instead of getting by with doing nothing. Sure, there are some Republicans that want to end those programs completely, but most just want reform. The challenge is how to reform it. There are no easy answers, but I do think if the sides work together they can come up with something that will work.
I'll leave you with this....the outlet that this board gives me on so many topics has been incredibly important to me over the years. It's hard to believe that I only know you all by your screen names. I can count on one hand the number of friends I have in "real" life. I keep coming back here for a reason. I am thankful for this place.
I think a lot of us agree on this, and despite our differences I really enjoy the discussion. It's good to get an understanding of what others think and why they think that way. I'm not the douche that I can act like on here. I'm pretty laid back actually and an introvert. The couple people I have met on here (SG and Otto...maybe a few others that don't post much anymore in Vegas) will hopefully tell you I'm a good guy. This is just a release for me and sometimes that comes across as more douchey than I intend it to...and if you're a dick to me I will give it back. Doesn't mean I hate you.
#1238 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
This is going to get ugly, folks. I'm saying this as a friend to you guys, stay on top of your 401ks and be prepared for a huge economic hit. That's not partisan or scare tactics, it's a real concern. The consequences of this election will be massive. I'm not talking about Trump so much, but his cabinet.
Weren't you the one talking about how bad the markets were going to open today? How has that turned out? You'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
#1239 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Awesome post. I'll read through it again when I have time and comment directly, but that's the kind of post I was hoping for. It's personal. It explains why you feel how you do instead of insulting people. Love it.
This result happened for a reason. I'm not even saying it's a good reason, but it wasn't an accident and it's not because half of the country is racist or sexist (though those people exist).
#1240 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Where did everyone go? For weeks this forum was filled with loyal Clinton supporters celebrating their intelligence and mocking those who thought Trump was a viable option. Go back to the 2008 thread and see how all of us who opposed Obama said he was now our president and we'd support him. Why am I not seeing that in 2016?
For the record, I've done that twice.
But I can't believe I got no comments on my "legalize drugs" post!
I voted for Johnson, so you don't really need to ask where I stand. And I haven't used an illegal drug since I was 15.
