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#1241 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Random right wing outrage word generator: Cracked skull, commutation, transsexuals, polls, PC culture run amok, BLM, Social Justice Warriors, femi-nazis, liberal media, welfare queens, CIA (only for Trump's pee pee report), attack-on-Christianity, LGBT, Hollywood, Rachel Maddow, gun grabbers, baby killers, unwed mothers, France, birth control pills, Happy Holidays, cracked skull...did I say cracked skull? Immigrants, freedom haters, and kale chips.

#1242 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

He's doing something that makes sense, letting Americans out of jail for archaic and over zealous punitive prison sentences for drugs. The Republicans actually agree with this too...except for maybe Obama doing it.

#1243 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

3 more days then the Trump critique becomes for real. Going to be exciting 4 years Mates. Good or bad it will be interesting. I can't wait to get this show on.

Wanna take a bet on four years? lol

#1244 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Just when you thought the Trump ethics disaster couldn’t get worse, it did

Richard Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2005 to 2007 and is vice chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Norman Eisen, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2009 to 2011 and is the chair of CREW.

For two weeks now, the majority leadership in the new Congress and the incoming Trump administration have been conducting a war on ethics. This has ranged from the effort to cripple the Office of Congressional Ethics to the Senate’s rush to confirm President-elect Donald Trump’s nominees before their financial conflicts disclosures were complete to Trump’s own inadequate plan to address his ethical problems.


The head of the Office of Government Ethics issued a stern and unusually public rebuke of President-elect Donald Trump's business separation plans. Now House Republicans are summoning him to answer questions about it. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
The latest front involves the Office of Government Ethics and its director, Walter Shaub Jr. , who has had the temerity to speak up against Trump’s plan to deal with his conflicts of interest as “meaningless.”

Both of us, former ethics counsels for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, respectively, have worked with Shaub, a career public servant who, in our experience, provided nonpartisan and wise advice. Now, Shaub is being pilloried — and may be at risk of losing his job — for doing just that, and asserting correctly that Trump’s approach “doesn’t meet the standards . . . that every president in the last four decades has met.”

How does the Trump plan fall short? The president-elect asserted that the conflicts laws don’t apply to him but ignored the most fundamental one of all: the constitutional rule that presidents may not accept cash and other benefits — “emoluments” — from foreign governments.

Trump’s lawyer then offered a porous and insufficient plan to address this problem: The Trump Organization will donate profits from foreign governments’ use of his hotels. But why only hotels? What about foreign sovereign payments to buy his condos or apartments, for use of his office buildings or his golf courses, not to mention his massive foreign government bank loans, and other benefits? And why only profits, when the Justice Department has long held that the emoluments clause covers any revenue from foreign governments — not simply profits?

For speaking up about the shortcomings of this plan, Shaub found himself in the Republican crosshairs. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah), chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that has jurisdiction over the White House, demanded Shaub appear for a Star Chamber-style recorded inquisition and implicitly threatened to shut down the Office of Government Ethics if Shaub did not submit. Chaffetz ought to have been doing the exact opposite, supporting OGE and demanding documents from Trump about any financial ties to Russia or other foreign governments.

Then, just when we thought it couldn’t get worse, it did. The incoming White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, went on national television to threaten Shaub. In a scene like something out of a gangster B-movie, Priebus warned the director that “he ought to be careful ” and gave his blessing to Chaffetz’s interrogation. Priebus’s glare of menace was unmistakable. The only thing he left out was cracking his knuckles.

Priebus went on to make assertions about Shaub that were false. For example, he claimed Shaub was “political” because he “may have . . . publicly supported Hillary Clinton,” which is simply untrue. Shaub has done no such thing. (Before becoming director, Shaub made modest political donations, as did his Republican predecessor.Indeed, both of us have also exercised this same First Amendment right.)

Priebus also attacked Shaub’s competence, and so his livelihood, questioning “what this person at Government Ethics, what sort of standing he has any more in giving these opinions.” In fact, the director is a dedicated and talented ethicist who has served Democratic and Republican presidents alike with distinction and without controversy for many years. He has already approved 54 percent of the Trump nominees who have submitted their paperwork to OGE, compared with just 29 percent at this point in the Obama transition eight years ago. If the White House chief of staff had made these kinds of threats against the head of OGE when we were serving in the White House, we would have resigned immediately.

We think apologies are due Shaub. In addition, we recommend that Republicans back off of their threats. How about Chaffetz instead publicly affirm the need for the agency and invite Shaub to have a public conversation about that and about Trump’s conflicts with both the majority and minority members of the committee? We are sure that Shaub would accept such an offer and explain to the committee and the public why his concerns about the president-elect’s plan are well founded.

Finally, and most important, Chaffetz should agree to take a hard look at that plan, including asking Trump for documents about it. That would be the best step of all in pivoting to fight for ethics, instead of against them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … d#comments

#1245 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Trump has a 34% approval rating coming in...yikes.

#1246 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Holy fuck people are pisssssed about this pardon. Holy shit.

The point was that the sentence was extraordinarily long. I believe (s)he got 30+ years for something that usually gets 3-5. The judge wanted to make an example out of Manning and many felt that was unjust.

#1247 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

Someone throwing a tantrum because people are "mean to him" is different than a guy with integrity who follows his conscience.

This is exactly what I've been talking about for months ID...if/when anyone behaves like Trump...they are criticized and ridiculed as childish...but whenever Trump does it, he is not held to the standards and expectations....

Why? Where did this come from?

1) Here you have a man and a woman who both engage in a certain type of behavior running against each other in an election.

The man is heralded, the woman is shunned and even threatened with jail time and death...wtf is this?


2) We have an out-going president behaved and presented himself in the highest of ethical and professional standards and he's ridiculed no matter what he does and the most ruthless of ways.

We have an incoming president who bullies people, and ridicules anyone who criticizes him. He has no decorum and no tact. His ideas are vulgar and oppressive.

Yea but Obama was never able to prove to us that he didn't hate America. Trump on the other hand wants to make America great again, it even say so on his hat.

#1248 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

But but you can't make an argument. Trump. Popular vote. BLM.  Black thugs in Chicago who don't know who their fathers are might get shot for just trying to rob someone!  Transgender people might not be able to poop in the stall they want and will kill themselves. Some illegal who doesn't speak English and swam the Rio Grande might get sent home!  Trump might come to Chicago and make people follow the law. Bernie was a smart man!

Or the economy might crash as badly as it did in 2008 under our last idiot Republican President.

Repeal Obamacare with no replacement and see what happens to our economy...even Republican governors are warning their pals to tread carefully with this.

I say less than 18 months until a recession with these clowns running things.

#1249 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

You didn't know? As liberals we all want handouts and like to mooch off everybody else. My dipshit cousin told me the same thing. It's probably how I was raised he said.

#1250 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 513 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I think there is something out there and the CIA knows there's something. And this was just the tip of the iceberg. This wasn't leaked for no reason.

I think the golden shower part was just there to make him angry and blow twitter up. I could care less if that was true or not. But I do believe he has ties to Russia, ties he must keep happy. My guess is that he went to them and China after no American bank would loan him money anymore. This all comes back to conflict of interest at the end of the day.

It's also odd that anybody could be so stupid as to praise Putin and dis our intelligence communities. Especially after all the heat that is on him for  Russia.

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