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#1291 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Gotta love conservatives:
1) DOW is a Trump rally!!! Consumer confidence hits record high!
2) Trump can't be held accountable for praising Russia while they wage cyber warfare against our country, he's not even the president yet.
#1292 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Well, he says he would have beaten Trump if allowed to run. What a fucking joke. He is more focused on saying shit like that "preserving husband legacy" that admitting failures and correcting those issues.
Is this one of those times that you call Trump out for saying stupid shit? No...it's when you continually bash your current president and beat the war drum of our douchiest president ever Donald Drumpf...
You don't criticize Trump ever....you don't....your mouth is too firmly wrapped around Trump's dick...
Bullshit it don't. I don't like Jeff Sessions. I am not wild about a few other if this cabinet. I don't like most of his tweets. But Obama has been in the office 8 years and seems to have not learned a damn thing.
This isn't about Obama. This is about Trump and Russia. Period.
Are you OK with Trump praising Putin after he was behind hacking our power grid(s) and our election? Are you OK with Trump hardly bothering to gather intelligence once a week because he's so "smart"? Can you say it, or must you always talk about Obama just like Flagg?
#1293 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
slcpunk wrote:It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.
Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.
What patriotic American would ever support this shit?
Except this isn't true. They didn't turn our election into a banana republic. Clinton was a horrible candidate and lost because people like you are content to just smugly dismiss other people. They didn't hack the power grid. They hacked a computer at a power plant with no access to production.
But the GOP told you Russia was a threat and you and Obama yucked it up, claiming the Russian threat wasn't real, but a man becoming a woman was real enough to ruin lives over not playing along.
Why aren't you upset Obama has been a fucking clown that has worsened our international standing? Why aren't you upset that Obama was on vacation in Hawaii or entertaining Jay Z while all this occurred. You were rabid at Bush for 9/11, calling him anything but a white man. But have remained silent on Obama's failure to control isis, Syria, China or Russsia. You backed an inexperienced child who lacked a single achievement and made our country worse for it. No amount of spin can alter the fact that less people are working, more are on welfare and the country is more divided than before he took office.
And your fucking response is to not only exaggerate what did happen, but put all blame on the guy who hasn't even been sworn in yet. You're why Trump won. You're why Obama has been allowed to behave more like a dictator than a president. And Obama is why Russia can fuck with our country with impunity. Hold your beliefs and the people you voted for accountable for their failures. Don't manufacture failures for someone not even in office yet. If Trump has a state dinner for Putin and let's him fuck his wife, then you can talk.
Default to Obama. That's all you got. No accountability. Good thing you voted for Hillary, when shit REALLY goes sideways you can go back to saying you voted for Clinton.
#1294 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.
Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.
What patriotic American would ever support this shit?
#1295 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
but...but...BENGHAZI!!!!! and....and.........E-MAILS!!!!!
Hillary was right, Trump is a puppet. Putin played him like a first class stooge.
Obama just put him in check with this move as well. Is Trump now going to take office and snuggle back up with Putin after our intelligence community just told him he was involved with election tampering and Obama purged 35 Russian goons? Trump brushed it off for weeks and weeks and now he can no longer deny it. Lets watch as Trump cozies back up to his Russian pals and his supporters just shrug it off. What a bunch of first rate clowns: Trump, his Fox News apologists and his supporters. Obama was right, Reagan would be rolling over in his grave right now.
#1296 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
How Trump Made Russia's Hacking More Effective
It was the president-elect’s hyperbolic characterizations of the pilfered material that turned routine documents into the stuff of scandal.
“It’s all just an attempt to delegitimize Donald Trump.” That’s the argument you hear from Trump supporters each time new information comes to light about how hard Russian spy services worked to damage Hillary Clinton. You heard it again on Thursday.
The Trump supporters are 100 percent right: The information is delegitimizing. The president-elect of the United States reportedly owes his office in considerable part to illegal clandestine activities in his favor conducted by a hostile, foreign spy service. It’s hard to imagine a crisis of presidential legitimacy more extreme than that. But that’s no argument against airing this information. It’s precisely why the information must be aired.
Vladimir Putin took a fearful risk. If the Electoral College had taken a slightly different bounce on November 8, Putin would now be facing an enraged President-elect Hillary Clinton. Putin had every reason to expect that he probably would end up facing a President Clinton. Yet he took the gamble anyway, apparently doing something none of his Soviet predecessors had ever dared to do: mount a clandestine espionage and disinformation campaign on behalf of one candidate for U.S. president, and against another.
The word “clandestine” is the key term here. In every election, foreign governments have their preferred candidates. It was no secret in 2004 that America’s French and German allies hoped George W. Bush would lose, or that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu felt the same way about President Obama in 2012. Those allies made their wishes known through the familiar and lawful method of grumbling to sympathetic American journalists about the awfulness of the incumbent administration. What they did not do was organize their spy agencies to break the law of the United States. But that is evidently what Russia did—and it seems to have worked.
Obama pledged today that before he leaves office, the American people will learn more fully how the Russians did it.
This will be important to know. But there is something else important to keep in mind.
The content of the Russian-hacked emails was actually remarkably unexplosive. Probably the biggest news was that Hillary Clinton had expressed herself in favor of a hemispheric common market in speeches to Wall Street executives. Otherwise, we learned from them that some people at the Democratic National Committee favored a lifelong Democrat for their party’s nomination over a socialist interloper who had joined the party for his own convenience. We learned that many Democrats, including Chelsea Clinton, disapproved of the ethical shortcomings of some of the people in Bill Clinton’s inner circle. We learned that Hillary Clinton acknowledged differences between her “public and private” positions on some issues. None of this even remotely corroborated Donald Trump’s wild characterizations of the Russian-hacked, Wikileaks-published material.
Without Trump’s own willingness to make false claims and misuse Russian-provided information, the Wikileaks material would have deflated of its own boringness. The Russian-hacked material did damage because, and only because, Russia found a willing accomplice in the person of Donald J. Trump.
Many questions remain about how the Russian spy services did what they did. That includes Putin’s motives for ordering the operation. But on issues from Crimea to Syria to NATO to the breakup of the European Union, Trump’s publicly expressed views align with Putin’s wishes.
Over Trump’s motives for collaborating so full-throatedly with Russian espionage, there hangs a greater and more disturbing mystery—a mystery that Trump seems in no hurry to dispel. And maybe he is wise to leave the mystery in place: as delegitimizing as it is, it’s very possible the truth would be even worse.
DAVID FRUM is a senior editor at The Atlantic and the chairman of Policy Exchange. In 2001-2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.
#1297 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
Give me a break. Trump wrapped himself in the racist conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't born in America for 6 years, never admitted he was wrong, and never apologized. And that's just ONE of the many things he said about our President.
Obama said he could have won a third term and the GOP says he's "Undermining" Trump. Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.
#1298 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BEST VOICES of the HISTORY » 515 weeks ago
#1299 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 516 weeks ago
The intelligence community now says Putin was behind the hacking of our general election. Of course with zero evidence to back his claims, Trump says it's preposterous that Russia did anything. "Could be anybody" he says.
So here we have a new president elect who admires Putin, the man who helped get him elected by via a massive hacking network and who alongside Iran/Assad have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Syrians. Yet you guys are still pissed off about "safe spaces", which bathrooms transsexuals use and gush daily at how charismatic Trump appears to be.
Only some of the GOP seem concerned about any of this...I find this unconscionable.
#1300 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 517 weeks ago
If only these "Closer Look" segments would have alerted the public to the problems with Obamacare or Black Lives Matters or Immigration. People see what they want to see. None of you were on this forum or any other bitching about the millions who were financially impacted when their premiums rose and could no longer afford insurance. None of you said "Hey, wait a minute" when Obama decided to let mentally ill people join the military who will never be combat ready because their medication and counseling prevent them from entering a combat zone. None of you posted any concern when Obama overreached his executive authority and set precedents that you won't enjoy now that Trump can wield that power. None of you were here advocating how wrong Reid using the nuclear option in 2012, but are shitting your pants now that the GOP has total control and can literally remove the DNC from any control of our federal government.
But keep yucking it up with Samantha Bea and Seth Myers. The adults will be making sure Trump doesn't kick start WW3 while correcting a lot of the damage the Obama administration has enabled the past 8 years.
A pivot to the default position: Attacking silence. Dude you're turning into a one trick pony! SAD!
In the meantime you didn't address one bit of the GOP hypocrisy on this segment. Neither did SG. Lofton says he's OK with government involvement in the free market because he's not a typical conservative. But if I cared to use the search feature, I'd bet my Obama phone that he was calling Barack a socialist back in the day...just a hunch.
I don't have to attack silence. I just have address what you guys are actually saying or have said (amazingly the same as Rush, Hannity and any garden variety dope over at Fox)
Obama bailout of auto sector = Socialism
Trump saving 700 jobs via crony capitalism at tax payers expense = STRONG LEADER!!!
