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#1291 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Trump is pulling 21 percent of New York Democrats and 40 percent of New York Hispanics.

yikes

Pollster is Republican-leaning by more than 1 point, co-sponsored by Breitbart, and Hillary is ahead by 14 to 17 points. I doubt the Clinton camp is shaking in their boots.

Surprisingly, though, this poll indicates her lead has grown since her 12 point lead a month ago. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … -5792.html

On a related note, Gravitas earned a "worst poll of the year" distinction in 2014.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/ … erica.html

Still, I guess not being down by 20 in New York is OK for a candidate who has lived his whole life in New York and has his multi-billion-dollar business based there.

This particular poll though surveyed 47% Democrats. And NY is as blue as you get. He's doing very well.

#1293 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Trump is pulling 21 percent of New York Democrats and 40 percent of New York Hispanics.

yikes

#1294 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Trump doing strong numbers in New York.

Breitbart/Gravis Poll: Clinton Leads NY 4-Way With 48%, Trump 34%, Johnson 6%, Stein 4%; Donald Gets 20% Dems, Hillary Gets 21% GOP

Democrat Hillary R. Clinton leads among Empire State voters with 48 percent, compared with 34 percent for Republican nominee Donald J. Trump and 6 percent supporting Libertarian Gary Johnson and 4 percent for Green Party nominee Dr. Jill Stein, according to the Breitbart/Gravis poll conducted between Aug. 4 through Aug. 6 with 1,717 registered voters in the Empire State.

“Secretary Clinton is still enjoying the post-convention bounce, especially it this blue state that she represented in the Senate for eight years,” said Doug Kaplan, the managing partner of Gravis Marketing, the Florida-based firm that executed the poll.

However, he said, Trump is pulling 21 percent of New York Democrats and 40 percent of New York Hispanics. “These can be troubling symptoms for Clinton if Trump continues to pull support from Democrats and other communities.”

Legendary pollster Patrick Caddell told Breitbart News exclusively that Trump’s support with Hispanics shows how his candidacy is disrupting conventional wisdom and voting pattern assumptions Democrats and the campaign of Hillary R. Clinton are relying on. Caddell did not participate in the design or execution of the poll, but he reviewed the completed results as their were presented to him.

“New York may be most interesting in the insights it provides for the presidential election everywhere,” he said. In the 2012 presidential election, President Barack Obama received 89 percent of the New York Hispanic vote and votes from 95 percent of New York Democrats, according to exit polls published by The New York Times.

“It is the disruption in partisan and ideological vote that signals the continuing fluidity of this race,” he said. “If the patterns in New York are duplicated generally in the contested states, and some normally uncontested states, then the election has by no means been decided for sure.”

One group that is supposed to be adamantly opposed to the New York City developer is Hispanics.

“Trump’s performance among Hispanics in New York is, as noted, quite significant,” said Caddell, who was the pollster for President James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, George McGovern in 1972, Gary Hart in 1984 and Joe Biden in 1988.

“He not only gets 37 percent of Hispanics head-to-head with Clinton, but a four-way race actually increases his support to 40 percent, he said. “Overall, Clinton’s margin with Hispanics drops from 21 percent in a two-way race to 10 points and barely 50  percent in the four-way race.”

Among white voters, Caddell said it is another story and it is white voters, who are the backbone of Clinton’s support.

“It is with the two-thirds of white New Yorkers where Clinton slightly edges Trump in both the two-way and four-way races that helps Clinton sustain her lead,” he said.

“If Trump were winning a solid majority of white New Yorkers, as he was winning whites in many other states before his August dip, along with his showing of Hispanics, conceivably Clinton’s lead could be in single digits.”

“I think this poll has some interesting indications but by no means do I think it argues that the state will flip for Trump – nor should it,” said the pollster, who is now a Fox News insider.

Caddell also pointed to how gender was playing out in the New York electorate.

“The greatest division in this race remains gender. Clinton has a two-to-one edge among female voters and a 2 percent lead among men in the head-to-head race,” he said. “In the four-way race Trump ties Clinton with men but still loses women overwhelmingly by almost the same margin.” In the 2012 election, The New York Times exit polls showed that Obama pulled in votes from 77 percent of women and 64 percent of men.

“With whites there is good reason to believe that it is Trump’s drop with men that together have characterized his August decline,” he said. “Were Trump to regain a significant lead with men, the vast losses with women, if not significantly lessened, ultimately puts a state like New York out of reach.”

Kaplan said when in the overall poll, Clinton held a lead of 53 percent compared to 36 percent for Trump. “But this is not a two-way race and if Stein and Johnson are pulling 10 percent from the poll of voters, they could put states in play.”

Caddell said the shift from the two-way race to the four-way race tell him the race has not settled.

“In the four-way race Clinton’s margin comes down a few percent as Johnson and Stein take 10 percent and another 8 percent is Other,” Caddell said.

“The defections both major candidates suffer further defections with their party with Clinton holding only 67 percent of Democrats and Trump only 58 percent of Republicans,” he said. “Part of Trump’s game comes from the nearly quarter of independents who break towards Johnson, Stein and particularly Other, which reduces Hillary’s margin over Trump to 8 percent with New York independents, 42 percent to 34 percent.”

There are also scary figures inside the poll for Trump and his support with conservatives, he said.

“Ideologically in the four-way race, the Trump defection to Clinton among conservatives remains over 22 percent, while Clinton defections of liberals to Trump are about 12 percent,” he said. ” Meanwhile, Johnson and Stein pick up around 11 percent of slightly conservatives – equal to the percentage for Other, among those very liberal a full 11 percent vote for Stein again, emphasizing the resistance to Clinton on the far left.”

Gravis Marketing is the Florida-based firm that executed the poll. The poll was conducted from Aug. 4 through Aug. 8 and has a margin of error of ±2.4 percent at a 95 percent confidence level. The total may not round to 100 percent because of rounding. The polls were conducted using automated telephone calls, IVR technology, and online responses, with the results weighted by voting demographics.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president … ts-21-gop/

#1295 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Instead, CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc are merely only one of many voices twittering about, and fact-checking is easier to do than ever. Hillary and her media dogs spend millions on messaging, while all Donald has to do is send a tweet and his narrative is immediately absorbed. Furthermore, in terms of numbers, she has a gang of bullies on social media, while we have amassed an army. Take a look at Reddit sometime if you don’t believe me.

The media is run by extremely clever people who know what they are doing. Their onslaught against Donald will almost certainly have some scratching their heads about what is going on with the campaign, and why Donald seems, for once, to be on the defensive.

All I will say to that is, there is a plan. There is a strategy. There is a method at work here. When the enemy has you surrounded—that only means there’s no way for them to escape. We are right where we want to be in August.

http://www.returnofkings.com/93212/why- … -will-fail

What a source!

Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine.

ROK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men. Sadly, yesterday’s masculinity is today’s misogyny. The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed. If you are new, check out our top 35 posts of all time.

Women and homosexuals are strongly discouraged from commenting here.

As much as you may want to attack the messenger, that article was written by somebody inside the Trump camp.

#1296 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

You make the mistake of thinking the average voter is as smart as you. He should be polling 20% going by what you hear about him, but he's actually doing alright. He's telling people what they want to hear. Some of it true, some of it less true. Lies don't matter for the Hillary supporters, why would they for Trump supporters? And he's consistent. He never concedes, never stops hammering the point. People like a man that doesn't apologize. It gives an aura of certainty and strength. Our politicians know all about that, only they are limited by the conventional rules of the game. Trump isn't. He can go anywhere, say anything. Appeal to anyone.  Facts? Who cares. Politics has never been about facts. It's about perception.

I believe it. 100 million people are silent voters in the US. Trump is bringing out a lot of those, Hillary is bringing none. Probably losing a fair bit compared to Obama. That picture of her walking up the stairs is a great symbol, she's literally being propped up in every way. That's what the media don't get. People already mistrust them, so any piece on Trump will just gain him publicity. 60% of Americans don't believe the media in the last gallup. With Trump that number has likely spiked.  Who was it that said, 'Barring a dead girl or a live boy, any publicity is good publicity'? He's using their best weapon against hem. Look at those rallies, he's doing a stadium tour. And all the while the media is desperate to show that he is actually losing badly. Protesting a bit hard, no? 3 months left and they're already firing all cylinders. They're scared.

I think fear of admitting you support Trump is a very real phenomenon. Trump is crushing Hillary in anonymous polls. And think about all those people not voting. It's because they have lost faith. Donald Trump is rebuilding that faith by the day. That's more powerful than any political platform. The hardcore democrat or republican core is not deciding this election, nor is the intellectual elite. This is the time for the downtrodden, bitter and angry.

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#1297 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

App maker: Trump will win election

LOS ANGELES — Despite a majority of opinion polls showing the 2016 presidential election going to Democrat Hillary Clinton, a smartphone app developer says his data suggests challenger Donald Trump will be the victor.

“Based on the stats we see, he looks strong,” says Ric Militi, co-founder of San Diego-based Crazy Raccoons, maker of the Zip question and answer app. His app poses questions and polls responses based on an average of 100,000 daily users. “I go with Trump, based on what we see.”

According to the RealClearPolitics average of opinion polls, which are performed by calling people on landlines and cell phones, and answering questions on websites, Clinton leads with 47.8%, to Trump’s 41.0%.

How can Zip’s results be so different?

“We’re not a poll. We’re a conversation, and 100% anonymous,” Militi says. “People feel comfortable answering questions without fear of being bullied or being called a racist. People can express themselves safely, and you get a pure answer.”

Militi and Zip co-founder Alanna Markey guested on an extended #TalkingTech podcast episode, explaining why they believe their app can become the “Google of opinions” by using the power of social media instead of calling people on the phone to get their opinions.

Zip, which launched in February, tells consumers the app “resolves debates and sparks conversation,” and suggests that folks use the app to “settle bets, win arguments, find a pick-up line and earn bragging rights.”

Folks can either pose or answer questions and see the instant results from a cross-section of demographics and geography.

The results don’t read like any poll you’ve seen reported in the last weeks, but instead like they have been answered primarily by the most ardent Trump supporters.

Some Zip questions:

— ”New polls suggest Trump is getting crushed by Clinton. Do they reflect how you are going to vote?” Some 64% told Zip they would vote for Trump, compared to 36% for Clinton. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, Clinton leads Trump, 42% to 36%.

— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.

— "What do you honestly think Trump meant by saying "The 2nd amendment people can do something about Hillary? Vote against her? 63% Assassinate her 37%”

Militi insists his replies are a cross-section of voters in age, gender and geography. “These are the same results we saw when he (Trump) was in the primaries,” he says. He contends that most media polls are just flat-out wrong and that smartphone answers are the future.

Douglas Rivers, a Stanford University political science professor and chief scientist for YouGov, which conducts online polls with such partners as CBS and the Economist, disagrees. “What do they know about these people?” Rivers says. “We worry a lot about who we’re talking to.”

So either the traditional polls are right or Militi is onto something, with a different way of polling that lets citizens answer more openly. We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016 … /88640044/

#1299 Re: The Garden » Wolf whistling to become a hate crime » 509 weeks ago

Calling it a hate crime. 14

They're going bonkers. Basically this opens the path for women to seek criminal charges against men whenever they feel like it. With all the crazies running around we know that's not going to end well.

#1300 The Garden » Wolf whistling to become a hate crime » 509 weeks ago

polluxlm
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Nottinghamshire Police cracks down on misogyny 

A police force has become the first in Britain to recognise misogyny as a hate crime, in an effort to make the county a safer place for women.

Nottinghamshire Police is recording incidents such as wolf whistling, street harassment, verbal abuse and taking photographs without consent within the hate crime definition.

It also includes unwanted sexual advances, uninvited physical or verbal contact and using mobile phones to send unwanted messages.

Commenting on the new procedures, introduced in partnership with Nottingham Women's Centre, Chief Constable Sue Fish said: "I'm delighted that we are leading the way towards tackling misogyny in all its forms.

"It's a very important aspect of the overall hate crime work being conducted and one that will make Nottinghamshire a safer place for all women.

"What women face, often on a daily basis, is absolutely unacceptable and can be extremely distressing."

During the past three months, selected officers and staff have undergone misogyny hate crime training which includes “behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman”.

Work on the idea first started in 2014 after a research project led to a conference at which victims gave examples of harassment faced by women.

Melanie Jeffs, centre manager at Nottingham Women's Centre, said: "We're pleased to see Nottinghamshire Police recognise the breadth of violence and intimidation that women experience on a daily basis in our communities.

"Understanding this as a hate crime will help people to see the seriousness of these incidents and hopefully encourage more women to come forward and report offences."

A force spokesman said: “Nottinghamshire Police has been working hard to understand exactly what hate crime means to the people of Nottinghamshire and has a clear definition.

“A hate crime is simply any incident, which may or may not be deemed as a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hatred.”

She added: "Unwanted physical or verbal contact or engagement is defined as exactly that and so can cover wolf-whistling and other similar types of contact.

"If the victim feels that this has happened because they are a woman then we will record it as a hate crime. This doesn’t necessarily mean that a criminal offence has been committed, but means we will carry out risk assessments and offer support as we would to any victim of a hate crime.”

Domestic abuse is not included within the scope of misogyny hate crime as it is dealt with under its own procedures.

Richie Jones, lead on hate crimes for the Police Federation of England and Wales, said: “All hate crimes are serious offences, and need to be dealt with appropriately. Any change in recording which helps officers better categorise the types of hate crime, can only be a good thing.”

Sarah Green, acting director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, said: “We welcome this because it comes off the local police force talking to and listening to local women’s groups. What we are talking about is not trivial behaviour – some harassment that women and girls receive in public is upsetting and should have the attention of the authorities.”

She added: “Police in Nottingham have not changed the law but they have listened to local women who said the behaviour bothered them. Together, they are recording it so they can monitor it and look back on who is doing it and where it happens.”

Last year, a building firm was investigated by police after a young woman, Poppy Smart, complained about “lecherous” men wolf-whistling at her in the street.

The 23-year-old filmed the builders’ behaviour and handed it to police.

It was believed to be the first time police had ever investigated wolf whistling as a potential crime. The investigation was later dropped when Miss Smart said she was happy the men had been internally disciplined.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 … sogyny-as/

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