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#1301 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 517 weeks ago

Just as I said a few days ago...all those deeply rooted conservative beliefs...POOF...all up in smoke. Today the same people who warned us all of socialism under Obama now applaud Trump for government intervention in the private sector. From the right wing media all the way down to posters in this thread.

Of course too his Carrier "deal" isn't much to brag about, but I find the hypocrisy from conservatives to be a much bigger story.

#1302 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 518 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

His supporters are ignorant knuckle draggers and deserve every bad thing the Pence administration will give them. Trump is playing the rubes, he actually has shown compassion to Hillary outside the moron fests of his rallies. Pence is 100% true blue right wing Christian crazy nut job, and appears to be in full control of the decision making. All the people getting positions are Pence people.

They are going to love the free range Paul Ryan gets to gut Medicare. While all these rubes are shouting about Hillary, they are slowly working on dismantling one of our most important safety nets for seniors. Trump supporters will be doctor shopping with vouchers all while their prostates are protruding out of their asses. They deserve it...the rest of us do not.

Trump said during his entire campaign that Hillary was "crooked" because of her alleged (never found guilty) inability to handle classified material. Then has Petraeus in the running for Secretary of State, who actually pled guilty and is currently still on probation...for mishandling classified material.

Trump and his cohorts bemoaned Hillary's speaking engagements with Goldman Sachs. But guess who Trump's Secretary of Treasury is? Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs.

Trump's charges against Hillary in regards to "crony capitalism" was core in his campaign as well. It should also be noted that this is a fundamental aspect of Republican dogma (especially over the last 8 years.) "Let the chips fall where they may." "Government doesn't create jobs." "Government doesn't pick winners and losers." But what is the first thing President elect Trump does, and the majority of Republicans cheer? He works out a "deal" with Carrier, using their parent company's government contracts as leverage. A deal that costs tax payers over 7 million dollars, although we still do not have all the details. Sure sounds like crony capitalism to me.

Trump also has a trillion dollar infrastructure stimulus in the works. They voted against that for 8 years. Want to guess what happens now that Trump is in the driver's seat?

Trump supporters are either acutely unaware of any of this, or simply don't care. My guess is a little bit of both. What I've seen here more than anything is that Trump can say/do anything, even literally change his stance mid sentence. They could care less. More than that are the conservative values they have claimed to hold so dear. None of that apparently matters anymore either. Carrier is a good example. His supporters don't see any hypocrisy on their end or Trump's. And Trump will use it again and again to show what a deal-maker he is and that he kept his campaign promises. None of the facts will matter, not one bit.


Smoking Guns wrote:

I voted for Kasich but lately he has acted like a little bitch.

I'd say it was the other way around.

Kasich was the only Republican to show backbone and integrity. The rest loathed Trump, but fell in line like cowards rather than possibly alienate any of their constiuents.

#1303 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 518 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

The market is emotional bullshit. We all know this. Not a real indicator of the economy.

You can't have it both ways then. Either the market reflects a Trump presidency or it does not.

mitchejw wrote:

And the Petreus thing I think you're talking about....so all that shit about Hillary's e-mails for years and then this?! He manipulated a bunch of douche bag racists, backed off on most of the things he said he wanted to do as soon as he was elected...and everyone in his base appears ok with this...

The hypocrisy is making it hard to breath in this country. The fickle, fickle American people are getting exactly what they wanted....a smoke and mirrors show.

They don't care about any of this...

misterID wrote:

Obama saved 1.5 million jobs. GM paid back government + interest.

Trump/Pence saved 800 jobs from going to Mexico for now. 1,300 jobs still going to Mexico where they will be making air conditioners and sending them back into the US with no tariff or outsourcing tax, while Indiana taxpayers pays them $7M for doing it.

What a deal!



They don't care about any of this... Not one bit.

And you better believe that if Obama spent 7 million of tax payer money to save 1000 jobs, they would be a collective right wing freak out. And we still don't know the nitty gritty details yet.

#1304 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Our last president got a noble prize for making people feel good before he was even sworn in. This one has raised the DOW to a record high and saved thousands of jobs before he was sworn in. I'll take reality over the hugs any day.

You've gotta be kidding.  C'mon Randall, , you know better than that?!!  The DOW went UP 12,000 points (after it crashed down 5,000 under W) under Obama the last 8 years. Then it goes up 300 points or something for a day or two and people say "Trump causes DOW to goto its highest ever!!".


He also omitted that the DOW dropped hundreds of points the preceding week on the news of his win. If anything the up/down behavior shows market instability  as a reaction to Trump being the President elect.

#1305 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

Remember when Obama saved over a million car manufacturing jobs and they called him a socialist?

Edit: And to be clear, Trump isn't saving all of those jobs, only some are staying. The rest are going away. I am curious to know what the incentives were, and if the employees who keep their jobs here have to take pay cuts or not. I like the idea, I'd like to know more about the execution.

Edit 2: Looks like a 700k tax incentive and the threat of pulling (up to) 6.7 Billion in federal contracts away from Carrier's parent company United Technologies. So far that's all that is being reported.

#1307 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

I think Trump has played the media (and to a degree us) yet again.

The NYTs ran an extensive front page article about his conflicts of interest, and the day before it broke he started tweeting about the recount. He's stayed on it since. Everybody ran over to see the monkey throw poop and totally missed the building on fire across the street.

(He also quietly and briskly settled his "Trump U" lawsuit for 25 million bucks.)



Here is the article in case you missed it. It's long, but well written and important.

Potential Conflicts Around the Globe for Trump, the Businessman President

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/po … gboing.net

#1308 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Trump: "Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!"

Isn't Trump instigating a nationwide recount with these posts?

Dude, only half the election was rigged. Pay attention!

buzzsaw wrote:

I don't listen to what Wall Street tells me to since I have no idea what they are telling me to do.  If you haven't figured it out yet, I don't really follow the mainstream news and certainly not the financial stuff.  I trust my numbers.  I trust my instinct.  It's worked out well for me.

The unsolicited advice you are providing me is exactly what they tell us to do. Nearly every article ever written about long term investing always says the same thing: Keep your money in, buy on the dips, it works out in the long run...blah blah blah. And who do you think advocates that consistent message? Who pumps these articles out? Wall Street, that's who. They don't want you taking money out, hardly a shocker. This investing strategy may work for some people, but I move my money around when I see gains, or anticipate dips ahead. Sometimes I let it ride, sometimes not. Calculated yes, scared no.

I see gains, so I'm taking them. Why? I don't see any future gains that outweigh potential loss of my previous profits. I see more downside than up, especially with Trump and especially after a 7 year bull run.

PaSnow wrote:

Not trying to lump Trump supporters into a stereotypical category, but I saw this on FB.  It's an amusing 10 minutes to watch. 

She doesn't reflect a 'Trump supporter mindset' imho, as much as a 'Daddys spoiled little rich girl'

This is the second white person claiming "discrimination" against a brown employee. Both proudly proclaimed they were Trump supporters in the middle of their tirades. Discrimination my ass...morons.

bigbri wrote:

Also, speaking of irrelevant, this is the first time I've heard of this guy.

Bill Mitchell may be one of Trump's biggest bootlick sycophants, and totally bonkers. He tweets about Trump a dozen times a day and has some sort of podcast or radio show...something. He's essentially become well known for tweeting about Trump. Maybe polluxlm can become well known as the guy who reposts tweets from the guy who is famous for tweeting about Trump.

Smoking Guns wrote:

She lost some weight since the blue dress incident. I would probably grudge fuck her hard.

She would be the luckiest girl in the world!

#1309 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

Anybody else move everything to cash yet?  I'll take my gains, sit on the sidelines and see how this plays out. Overbought, interest rate rise on the horizon, and a man who is synonymous with instability. Thanks but no thanks.

I'll be buying to take advantage of the chicken littles.  You don't win the market by sitting back and seeing what happens.  What happens over the long haul is always gains...even with bigger bumps in the road than Donald Trump.  Unless you're close to retirement, you are playing the market absolutely wrong.

I had 7 years of gains, as did most Americans. I don't invest the way Wall Street tells me to. I'll gladly sit in cash and buy back up somewhere between Q1 - Q3 of next year. Check back with me then and lets see how it worked out.

misterID wrote:

Have you seen that series the 80s on CNN? They were showing Reagan coming into office and cutting all the regulations. He showed up on Wall Street bragging about it, all the traders were chanting Reagan's name...and of course it all fucking exploded. Like Déjà vu. Yeah, I'll be sitting with you.

I've got it on my computer, I've only seen the first episode!

Total Deja Vu though.

They want to rip up all the regulation that stops Wall Street from doing all their crazy shit again. Of course they bitched endlessly about the bailouts, but they'll put us all right back in that position again with this move. Privatize gains and socialize losses.

Remember Reagan removed Carter's solar panels from the roof after he moved in? Imagine if he had not done that, and instead focused on solar energy research/growth back then? Where would be today in regards to energy independence? It makes me think of Trump calling climate change a hoax and wanting to remove our country from the Paris agreements. Where will that put us in 30 years?

#1310 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 519 weeks ago

I noticed a lot of conservatives were repeating this meme over the last week or so, but to have a President Elect repeating LIES whipped up by far right websites with absolutely zero evidence is seriously fucked up. In fact the only fraudulent voters who were arrested were Trump supporters. This is unbelievable to me...but I guess perhaps it's not. Given the fact free age we live in, I guess this is business as usual. SMFH.


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