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#1311 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

If the worst you can tie to trump is that in 50 years of real estate, he didn't want to rent to people on welfare (is it cause they were black or because poor people destroy their properties. I'd love for SLC  to try to avoid this claim. He's our resident real estate expert), that's pretty fucking good.  Someone in the DoJ accused him of discrimination. No evidence or conviction was ever put forward. 40 years from now I'll bet you'll claim the Ferguson riots were due to racism too. After all, Holder's DoJ accused them of racism.  No evidence or case they can point to, just a feeling and you swallow it.


What claim am I to avoid?

#1312 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago

Donald Trump pulls a bait and switch on America

Perhaps we should be thankful this week for Donald Trump’s insincerity. In a breathtaking fortnight of flip-flopping, he has reversed many of his most reckless and damaging campaign positions.

The new Trump professes sympathy for people and ideas he disdained during the “vicious” campaign. He now admires President Obama, doesn’t want to harm (let alone lock up) Hillary Clinton, is waffling on climate change, and thinks waterboarding might not work. Maybe he’ll even decide that the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a great trade deal. I hope so.

In advertising, this approach is known as “bait and switch.” You hook the prospective buyer with claims that can’t (and in Trump’s case, shouldn’t) be delivered. Then you substitute something more realistic. A scriptural version of a belated conversion (after the wild rumpus is over) is the prayer of the wastrel young St. Augustine: “Lord, make me pure, but not yet.”

Will these changes of position hurt Trump? I doubt it. Moderates will be relieved that he has softened his line on key issues. And true believers probably always knew that Trump’s views were pliable. So much about Trump is like the professional wrestling matches he adores: Everyone knows they’re fake, but fans love the noisy showmanship and phony gut punches all the more.

Some of his reported and rumored Cabinet picks are reassuring, too. South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley will bring the richness of her Indian American immigrant experience to the job of U.N. ambassador. Retired Marine Gen. James Mattis would be a fine secretary of defense and the first in memory who keeps Roman emperor and philosopher Marcus Aurelius for bedside reading. Mitt Romney would be a strong exponent of American interests as secretary of state. With Trump, you’re grateful for every decision and appointment that’s less bad than you feared.

Of Obama, whom he had castigated and sought to undermine for years, he said, “I really liked him a lot” after a White House visit. Of Clinton, for whom his campaign prescription had been a special prosecutor and imprisonment, he said, “She went through a lot. And suffered greatly in many different ways. And I am not looking to hurt them at all.”

On the Paris agreement to reduce climate change, which he had threatened to tear up, Trump said he now has an “open mind” and sees “some connectivity” between climate change and human activity. About waterboarding, which he had advocated, he suddenly discovered Mattis’s wisdom that “a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers” work better in getting information.

We know what’s going on here: Trump took inflammatory positions during the campaign, which appealed to people’s basest instincts and fears, because he thought they would help him get elected. He’s hardly the first modern politician to discover the utility of lying. Lyndon B. Johnson was a master at it. Bill Clinton wasn’t bad at it, either, even in front of a grand jury. Hillary Clinton could bend the truth, too, though hardly by Trumpian proportions.

Maybe there’s even something “American” about this form of upbeat dishonesty. River City believed in the ability of “Professor” Harold Hill, “the music man,” to lead a marching band even though he couldn’t read music. Herman Melville, perhaps our greatest novelist, painted a dark picture in “The Confidence Man” of a gambler who boards a riverboat on April Fool’s Day and fleeces his fellow passengers.

What’s jarring here is that Trump’s wildly polarizing rhetoric put the nation through a nightmare campaign. He took raw wounds of race, class and gender and tore at them until they bled. He created the equivalent of a national panic attack. America is a strong country, but it’s a fragile one, too. Trump says he wants to put it back together, but the job will be harder because of the damage he did himself.

We’re watching a new season of the Trump reality TV show — the one in which he realizes that the job he wanted is much bigger than he imagined, and that he needs to heal wounds, rather than keep them festering. The job is bigger than the man, even this one, with his oversized ego.

What should he do? Trump put it just right in his comments to the Times. “We want to bring the country together, because the country is very, very divided.” If he means that, he needs to be a wise, careful steward — two qualities we’d all love to see more of from our next president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … 6555dffaaa

#1313 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

The rise in racism over the last year or so is the worst I remember it in my lifetime. And I grew up in the south with a bunch of inbred rednecks with rebel flags on their hats, trucks, shirts...front porch, you name it. However it's the denial of racism that is even more insidious in my opinion. The mental acrobats required by Republicans and Trump voters to see what Trump coddles, and to advocate it anyway, is beyond me. Sitting on the sidelines while this happens makes you just as guilty as the perpetrators IMO.

Never before have I seen a president, or president elect, tell his constituents to "stop it" when a reporter brought up their aggressive racism towards other Americans. Trump telling his supporters to quit acting like racist dicks is an indictment of his message alone.

#1314 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
slcpunk wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Because they have been told black people aren't savvy enough to get an ID or use the Internet (the implicit racism in this position is quite astonishing to me). Supporting voter ID laws then makes them racists.

You watch one youtube video and think only white liberals make this claim in regards to poor people and driver's licenses/IDs. Plenty of black democrat leaders have made this argument as well.

You also cheered on a racist endorsed by the KKK for POTUS, but then have the audacity to act perturbed about "implicit racism" by the left. As if you ever gave a shit about racism in the first place. Spare us please.

Pollux as usual is correct. And honestly, if in 2016, you are so out of it you don't have an ID is that responsible for voting to be forced on them?  They are probably not well informed and apathetic. Everyone (law abiding legal citizen) "can" vote but it doesn't mean they "should" vote.

As usual you are talking about something completely different than what I just said. The rest is just...ironic.

#1315 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

I think those of you that support right wing nuts like this guy Milo and think like him are pieces of shit.

Just my opinion!

I agree. Milo is a piece of shit, but he only has a following because even bigger, more worthless turds find him compelling.

#1316 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Because they have been told black people aren't savvy enough to get an ID or use the Internet (the implicit racism in this position is quite astonishing to me). Supporting voter ID laws then makes them racists.

You watch one youtube video and think only white liberals make this claim in regards to poor people and driver's licenses/IDs. Plenty of black democrat leaders have made this argument as well.

You also cheered on a racist endorsed by the KKK for POTUS, but then have the audacity to act perturbed about "implicit racism" by the left. As if you ever gave a shit about racism in the first place. Spare us please.

#1317 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

The reason those voter ID laws were made. Horses mouth.

Read all about Cross Check...it's a doozy.


The GOP's Stealth War Against Voters

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe … rs-w435890

#1318 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

^^ This is going to be ugly/hysterical.

Anyone think they promoted Christie just to fire and humiliate him?

Christie was already demoted to Beta male during the primary and caught a lot of shit for teaming up with Trump if you recall. To be relieved of his (short lived) duty already must be a little humiliating.

#1319 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

The transition team has broken down.

And ironically, Pence is having his own email issues.

Looks like they are woefully prepared. Not a good start.

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WASHINGTON ? Donald Trump’s transition team is nearing a state of stasis, causing concern among both Democrats and Republicans in Washington that his White House will be woefully ill-prepared once he is inaugurated.

The primary cause, according to multiple sources, is the revamped leadership structure at Trump’s transition offices ? the demotion of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie from the top post and his replacement with Vice President-elect Mike Pence.

On Tuesday morning, for example, the Obama administration alerted the press that it had not yet received a memorandum of understanding signed by Pence, which would legally allow the old and new administrations to begin discussions on how to hand off critical government functions. That document still hadn’t arrived by 4:30 p.m., and only later in the evening did a White House official confirm it had been received. The official noted that the language signed by Pence was identical to a memo signed by Christie, making the holdup all the more peculiar.

The disarray has left agencies virtually frozen, unable to communicate with the people tasked with replacing them and their staff. Trump transition team officials were a no-show at the Pentagon, the Washington Examiner reported. Same goes for the Department of Energy, responsible for keeping the nation’s nuclear weapons safe, where officials had expected members of the Trump transition team on Monday. Ditto for the Department of Transportation. Over at the Justice Department, officials also are still waiting to hear from the Trump team.

“The Department began planning for this transition well before the election and we are fully prepared to assist the incoming transition team,” Justice Department spokesman Wyn Hornbuckle said in a statement. “As the President has said, we are committed to a smooth and successful transition, including the seamless continuation of the department’s essential law enforcement and national security functions which are performed each and every day by its career staff.”

The transition dysfunction extends beyond failure to promptly execute a memorandum of understanding. According to several sources close to the Trump transition team and inside the Obama administration, the president elect and his staff have had difficulty finding able-minded Republicans willing to take on critical posts. One Democratic source, who like others would only discuss sensitive talks on condition of anonymity, said transition officials had been informally asking Obama political appointees to recommend Republicans to take over their jobs.

Other administration officials said conversations had not gotten to that point of desperation quite yet. But they acknowledged the pace of getting people in line for critical posts was moving painfully slowly.

The problem is twofold: Trump and his staff are not creatures of the establishment and are naturally skeptical of those who are. At the same time, many Republican lawyers and government officials who would have jumped at the opportunity to work in a GOP administration are balking at employment under Trump and his cabinet picks.

According to one Trump insider, this is particularly true for potential national security and intelligence officials.

“One issue is [Retired Lt. Gen.] Michael Flynn,” said the insider. Flynn, vice chair of the Trump transition, is reportedly in line for a top national security post in the new administration. “It’s a major problem. No one wants to work for him or around him because of the time he was running the DIA,” or Defense Intelligence Agency.

Eliot Cohen, a longtime neoconservative voice, tweeted a window into the disorder, recounting his talks with transition officials.


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The internal rivalries inside Trump’s transition have not helped matters. The promotion of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus as White House chief of staff was supposed to set the tone for the rest of the administration. But it came with Breitbart CEO Steve Bannon as chief strategist, a move that delighted the ardent, anti-establishment wing of the party, but has given others pause because of his history peddling anti-Semitism and white nationalism.

Priebus, according to sources, is also skittish on the possibility of former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski replacing him at the RNC, worried that he may undo a lot of the work from the past six years.

Perhaps nothing illustrates the warring fiefdoms roiling the Trump transition effort better than the demotion of Christie. According to the Trump insider, the president elect and his team soured on Christie after he “abandoned Trump,” refusing to do media appearances after videotape of Trump bragging about sexual assault surfaced and skipping surrogate duties during the presidential debates.

When Christie’s top aides were indicted in the Bridgegate scandal, Trump decided to cut him loose, along with the officials he had brought along to help with the transition. One of those officials, former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), left the transition team on Monday morning.

This article has been updated to note White House receipt of the memorandum of understanding.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don … 8910bd97a5

#1320 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

So far since the election, Trump has been great. People really only bitch about Bannon but I don't know enough about him. But he has seemed presidential for the most part.

He's been great? It's just a few days since the election. He hasn't done much of anything other than meet Obama, tweet the usual crap, give a speech and talk to 60 minutes....he's been great!!!

Randall Flagg wrote:

Was it ok when Amy Schumer called Latino men rapist?

If I didn't know any better I'd think you were an accountant. You're always trying balance both sides of the ledger.

Schumer is a comedian...Trump is the President elect.


buzzsaw wrote:

I'm staying out of the discussion, but it is curious how focused some of you are on racism.  Carry on with whatever pseudo-intellectual bs you want to keep spewing. 

Yes, indeed I am the problem here...

You should stay out of it, since you don't offer anything substantial at all.

You're the most insecure drip I've met online in ages...just miserable.

The difference between people who really are smart and you, is that they don't spend all day telling everybody how smart they are.

mitchejw wrote:

I mean...when even Glenn Beck is acknowledging white supremacist tendencies in Trumps advisory staff...then what else is there to deny?

They'll just call Beck a "cuck" now...these Alt Right weirdos with underdeveloped vernacular.

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