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#1352 Guns N' Roses » Locomotive » 344 weeks ago

Randall Flagg
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GN'R played Locomotive (my favorite deep cut)last night for the first time in 23 years:

#1353 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

I feel like I've heard all of this before, and lo and behold nothing happened.  For once, can you wait until something, really anything happens?  You've looked so foolish over the years and you seem like a good guy outside of this, so I hate seeing you do this to yourself over and over again.


Boo hoo hoo!  You guys are getting a bit much. You banned Mitch, now you're taking personal shots against me. Maybe take aq look at yourselves instead.  People disagree with you. Guess what, that's life. That's Planet Earth.

Dude, I got no beef with you. You’re a swell guy in my book. Nothing I say is personal, it’s directed at the idea.

#1354 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Well if someone could just prove he committed a crime instead of making things up and exaggerating things, your life would be so much better.

He witheld $400 million from Ukraine. Mitch McConnell even acknowledged this. After the phone call, in which Ukraine agreed to investigate Biden, he GAVE Ukraine the $400 million.

This is completely inaccurate.  Can you link a single news article that supports this view?  Not the joke Schiff made of his committee once again, this week.  But someone in the know actually substantiating that claim?  Has Ukraine done any investigation?  You want to portray this as some mob thing, but it's not.  Mob bosses don't pay the hitman before they do the job.

You're doing what you did with collusion, and believing fictitious version of events, and embellishing a little to fit the story you want to be true in your head. 

Democrats don't even have the votes to impeach.  Sure, they barely have enough to do the inquiry, but they don't have enough to impeach.  It'll never get passed in the Senate, and for the next year, everyone who isn't a partisan shill will ask "Even if Trump did ask for help, how is that worse than Biden threatening to remove aide unless the investigation into his own son was halted?"  To which you'll ignore that reality, just as you did with Clinton's obstruction of justice and that Clinton paid for the Steele Dossier from foreign spies.

#1355 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

Holy shit. This whistleblower complaint is entirely hearsay and conjecture. The person that wrote it has no first hand knowledge and opines reasons they think things happened. How the fuck is this taken credible. It’s the Steele Dossier all over again. Coincidence that the same people that immediately accepted the dossier as fact want to believe this is true too?!?

10-1 democrats demand a new special counsel, but will demand that Biden being exempt from it. Comey is probably providing immunity to all of Biden’s people as we speak. big_smile


https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded … nclass.pdf

#1356 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

The transcript of President Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky is yet another illustration of the rule: Never ask a question you don’t know the answer to.

But on the basis of one drama queen’s overreaction to a rumor she’d heard about what was said on a phone call she didn’t hear (I'm assuming the whistleblower is Christine Blasey Ford), the Democrats have launched impeachment proceedings against the president.

I guess they figured it's easier than flying to South Dakota with picks and chisels and carving Trump into Mount Rushmore. But it will have the same effect.

Now that the transcript has been released, it’s The New York Times that doesn't want anyone to see it.

The transcript I'd like to see is the one of Nancy Pelosi reading the Trump transcript.

F@@@@@@CK! Whose f***ing idea was it to demand this goddamn transcript?
F@CK!
F@@CK!
F@@@CK!

The absolute worst version for Trump -- i.e. the one being repeated non-stop on MSNBC -- is that he did exactly what Obama and Biden were doing to Ukraine: intimidating an ally into giving us something in exchange for the foreign aid we were giving them.

Biden himself bragged about getting Ukraine’s prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold a big fat check from them.

The Democrats’ argument is: No, no, no! When WE were pressuring Ukraine, we were doing it for good! Don’t you understand? We’re good; they’re bad.

The other reason the media are going to have to bury this transcript is that Trump brought up a few items that the media have been hoping the public would never find out about.

Trump said: “There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.”




Well, that’s something the media haven't mentioned before! Ninety-nine percent of Americans will be hearing about the funny business with Biden's son, Hunter, for the first time with the release of this transcript.

Why did Vice President Biden order the Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian company paying his son millions of dollars? Are Democrats claiming that this company was clean as a whistle and it was an absolute OUTRAGE that it was being investigated?

Ukraine was looking into the company that conveniently placed Hunter Biden on its board long before Trump came on the scene. Something must have made the Ukrainian prosecutor want to investigate Biden’s company -- and it sure wasn’t to curry favor with the Obama/Biden administration.

The second issue the media does not want anyone to think about is CrowdStrike.

What is CrowdStrike, you ask? That is the cybersecurity firm that is the sole source of the claim that the Russians hacked the DNC’s emails -- which launched the conspiracy theories that tied our country in knots for the past three years.

The Russian collusion story was originally hatched by Hillary Clinton in the summer of 2016 to cover up the utter corruption revealed by the dump of Democratic National Committee emails on Wikileaks. As was her practice whenever a scandal threatened to engulf her, Hillary rushed out and told the press to investigate something else.

And “the great story” about the DNC email hack wasn’t about a “vast right-wing conspiracy” -- as she claimed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. No, this time, it was a vast Russian conspiracy!

At the time, the entire media laughed at Hillary’s Russian conspiracy nonsense -- The New York Times, New York Newsday, the Los Angeles Times and so on. But then Trump won the election, and suddenly the Russia conspiracy seemed totally believable. What else could explain how Americans could put this boob in the White House?

The subsequent three years of breathless Russia coverage was based entirely on the word of one cybersecurity firm, CrowdStrike, that the DNC's emails had been hacked by Russia.

Recall that the DNC wouldn’t allow the FBI or any other U.S. government official anywhere near its computers. That’s precisely why so many cybersecurity experts doubted that it was the Russians: The FBI was never allowed to perform its own investigation.

CrowdStrike was founded by Ukrainian Dmitri Alperovitch (now an American citizen apparently -- because who isn't?) and funded by the fanatically anti-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Pinchuk.

Talk about interfering with our democracy! Alperovitch and Pinchuk sent one political party and nine-tenths of the American media off on a wild goose chase into Russian collusion that, after years of accusations, investigations and embarrassing conspiracy-mongering ... turned up goose eggs.

The entire Russian insanity was launched by a couple of Ukrainians. I think a lot of us would like to get to the bottom of that.

This is why Trump said to President Zelensky: “I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people ... The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

(How'd you like to be the Ukrainian translator for a Trump conversation?)

Trump has been justly criticized for hiring his daughter and son-in-law at the White House. But at least when he pressures a foreign leader for a favor, it’s to investigate corruption, not to get a prosecutor off his son’s back. Maybe Biden's son was guilty, maybe he was innocent. But it is a fact that Joe Biden held up foreign aid to a desperately needy ally in exchange for their halting prosecution that implicated his son. It's not Trump's fault that Biden is now running for president.

I'll give the Democrats this: They've gotten so good at trying to remove Trump from office that, instead of three years, their insane accusations blow up in their faces within a week.

#1357 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:

I don't think you possess the maturity level or honesty to understand what is happening right now.


Says the guy who claimed 9/11 was an inside job and that Trump colluded with Putin. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Every prediction you make is wrong, and you blindly accept any rumor as fact if it’s damning to Trump. 48 hours ago you were convinced Trump withheld aide for dirt on Biden (never mind that last year 3 democratic senators asked Ukraine for dirt on Trump), and when proven wrong, you just invent shit.

You’re a laugh riot dude. You parrot everything conspiracy and never admit when you’re duped. Case and point. You talking about maturity is the funniest post since your pet monkey got banned.

I’m sure you’ll have another insightful prediction and understanding of reality separate from those with an IQ over 100 when the next story breaks.

Just remember, virtually every story you’ve linked the past 3 years has been wrong. It would be laugh out loud hysterical if it wasn’t so sad that a grown man in his 40s sits in his basement believing Alex Jones level conspiracy, regurgitating them on a GNR forum, and believing himself a better person for it.

Name one thing you’ve claimed to be true that didn’t require a decoder ring, hearing voices, and a complete lack of fact to be remotely true. You just did it with your “I can see things in the transcript that aren’t there - none of you are smart enough to see it!  But if you tilt your head, turn the microwave on, and drink the silver oxide laced with peyote, the truth is there!”

#1358 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Once again, Democratic leadership made outrageous claims that aren't supported by any evidence - that Trump threatened to withhold aide to Ukraine unless Biden was investigated.  This is absolutely false by any reading of the transcript.  Yet, leadership already launched an impeachment inquiry and plenty of yahoos in the media and in office made claims of the veracity of such a claim.

You're aware at the same time as the phone call took place, Trump was withholding $400 million in aid to Ukraine, right?  $400 million!


So you're saying that's a coincidence.

Have you seen this substantiated by anyone?  I’ve heard the rumor, but I also read the money was released before the call, and as the transcript showed, it wasn’t discussed at all. The claim, the reason for impeachment, was that Trump offered aide for dirt on Biden. That didn’t happen.

#1359 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

This things over. No Friday News Dump either. This is blowing up

How many times have you said this now???



This is my biggest issue.  We've been told relentlessly the past 3 years that Trump was corrupt and violating the sacred constitution, and would be impeached within hours.  None of it was accurate, and every single alarm was based off of a lie, or an incredible exaggeration/distortion on reality.  Any denial of said claims was assaulted as full fledged support of Trump.  Congressional leaders and former Intelligence chairs outright lied on national TV.  They made up stories we now know to be false.  Trump was accused of treason via conspiracy with Putin from every Democratic leader, and the former NSA and CIA chief who allowed our elections to be messed with on their watch.  There's never been a demand for accountability into our intel community, or DNC leadership who carelessly left their servers exposed.  Podesta was compromised through a phishing email, not some elaborate Russian hacker. 

Once again, Democratic leadership made outrageous claims that aren't supported by any evidence - that Trump threatened to withhold aide to Ukraine unless Biden was investigated.  This is absolutely false by any reading of the transcript.  Yet, leadership already launched an impeachment inquiry and plenty of yahoos in the media and in office made claims of the veracity of such a claim.  Then when said claim didn't manifest, it's full court press regardless.  Those that support these leaders, have echoed their warnings countless times, yet have never hesitated to question if the next accusation is accurate, are the greatest threat to our democracy.  Pelosi knows the count; she's not stupid.  She wouldn't say this shit if she didn't know a bunch of hyper partisan and misinformed voters foaming at the mouth for the next wonky claim, were willing to eat it up.  All this talk of accountability; where is the demand from the rational democrats to quiet the faux outrage?  Say what you will about Boehner, the guy held the tea party in line and worked with Obama.  He fucking resigned when the GOP went bonkers, while Pelosi is fully on board. 

I don't care about Biden in Ukraine.  Check my post history.  Never mentioned it once.  But how in the fuck can Biden using the office of the VP to end an investigation into his son be kosher, yet Trump making reference to it is somehow the greater wrong here?  It's 2016 all over again.  Secret hangar meetings, corrupt investigators that grant immunity to all witnesses before completing an unrecorded/documented interview on someone who objectively committed a felony, that destroyed evidence under subpoena, and the Democrats are mum.  They even accuse people of gawking at the hangar meeting as conspiracy nuts - "How dare you suggest the AG meeting privately with the husband of the accused in a hangar in middle of nowhere USA could look bad!".  Yet Trump attempting to end a bogus investigation Mueller testified under oath that no "collusion" occurred, be the biggest obstruction of Justice in US History?!?  Yet Clinton actually committing perjury and obstructing justice while in office, isn't an impeachable offense.  For real?  It's a total hypocrisy!  The left does what they accuse Trump of doing, and just hand waive it away.  It drives me bonkers.

#1360 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 346 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

If Warren gets the nomination (and it's looking more and more likely she will), Trump will get a 2nd term.

Warren will win the election && Warren will not be our next president.


BOTH are true big_smile


If you mean Warren wins the popular vote, I'm inclined to agree.  If you mean she wins the election through the rules outlined in the constitution, and Trump refuses to leave office, I strongly disagree.

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