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#1371 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 522 weeks ago

I love seeing the old quotes and predictions, they were all right! We're living in the middle of a socialist utopia today!

PaSnow wrote:

Haha, hey Randall, I just saw the McDonalds fryguy pass by me in a Lexus lol.

"Socialism here we come.  Under Barry, the 18 year old fry manager at McDonalds has the same quality of life as the 35 year old manager with a wife and 2 kids"
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Yea but the fry guy gets the ES 350, while the manager gets the LS 460 with free Obama phone and gas card.*

Big difference bro.

*Also once Hillary is president we no longer will subsidize gun racks.

#1372 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 522 weeks ago

Has Trump had any major newspaper endorsements? Even the historically conservative rags won't endorse him.

He did pick up one though: The KKK's official newspaper (The Crusader) endorsed him this week.

Congrats guys!

#1373 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 522 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Isn't it still a statistical fact that whoever wins OH wins the presidency? I've always wanted to see that record get shattered.....it gives OH too much importance.

The states that are solidly blue have built up a strong firewall for any Democratic candidate. That's why I said months ago she's got 240+ walking in the door.

Check out this scenario.

I gave Trump all the toss up states: FL, OH, NC, NV, IA and AZ.

Now IMO there is no way he's going to pick these all up. But even if he did, he's still short. The only way for him to win is to breach one of the democratic stronghold states (WI, MI, PA, VA, CO etc) and THEN pick up all those swings.

What are the odds of him doing that?

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#1374 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 522 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Yeah, like that ABC poll you posted recently showing Hillary +12. Trump is now +1 in that very same poll. That lead for Hillary was obviously bs to begin with, and the subsequent swing for Trump statistically impossible = fake poll.

You guys crack me up:

Hillary positive = rigged poll!
Outlier = fake poll!
Trump positive = great poll! He's going to win!


Smoking Guns wrote:

"Let's let everyone vote! Including non citizens!"

How are non citizens voting exactly? I guess they all sneak over here, and produce fake voter registration forms in their second language (if they speak it at all)

Smoking Guns wrote:

Pollux, how will we celebrate the big Trump victory? Can't come here because everyone will be sad.

How to celebrate? Find the girl closest to you (unless she's less than a 6), grab her by the pussy and shout "We made America great again!"

Trump currently has a 35% chance of winning according to 538. If those were my odds to hook up with Sofia Vergara I'd be pretty stoked. But Trump still has to crush it in swing states in order to get to 270, which looks unlikely, even after the poll numbers tightened.

Smoking Guns wrote:

Ha!  Beautifully written post!  What if he actually became a good president?

He's a lousy person, a shitty businessman, isn't interested in learning, and has zero experience governing...he will probably suck. The man brags and compares himself to Brexit, but just learned what it was less than 90 days ago.

misterID wrote:

The GOP got the clown they deserve.

The GOP mostly certainly deserve him (and some ironically champion him), the rest of us do not.

AtariLegend wrote:

Do you guys think that if Hillary wins she'll finally be the democratic president to pull the trigger on putting everyone in fema camps?

Obama's FEMA camps are already built. George Soros financed the whole thing. Once Hillary becomes president they'll take away the guns, and ship conservative Christians to camps where the government will gay marry them. The lamestream media won't report this, but you can find all the facts out on youtube. Just open your eyes and see the truth!

#1376 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 523 weeks ago

Well thanks for coming along and fucking my post up. Might as well delete is now.

Pay attention.

#1377 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 523 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Trump leads Florida in the real statistics, so all they can do is make up this "poll" to claim that all the Republicans voting isn't really voting for him. The last ditch effort.

haha, now you suddenly like polls again? I thought they were all "skewed"?

College of William and Mary  is "making up" this exit poll? Ummm, OK. roll

Smoking Guns wrote:

Exactly. Early voting is a fucking sham.

What's that even mean? Early voting is democratic.

buzzsaw wrote:

    It's as valid as most of the other polls being quoted as fact.

    The only poll that matters is the one this coming Tuesday.  If you believe everything you read, that one may not matter either.

I remember guys like you in 2012, before Obama kicked your ass and put the baby to bed before 11 PM. SAD!

If I had to choose between a data collection agency paired with a highly rated American college, or some guy off the internet who thinks he's a genius...guess who I'd tend to believe?

And this should be pointed out to you guys, since you're bad at math and don't like data: Hillary can lose Florida and Ohio and still beat Trump.

Even nutty right wing "Newsmax" is reporting this today:

   

But TargetSmart's Tom Bonier told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Tuesday night his firm's methodology is more accurate because his pollsters call a random sample of the actual 3.6 million voters who already have cast early ballots and ask them how they cast their ballots, as well as obtain demographic data about them.

Also noted in this early voter exit polling is that these same Republicans voted GOP down ticket, just not for POTUS.

#1378 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 523 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

No.

Early voting in Florida isn't looking good for your guy, SG. A good portion of Florida Republicans voted for Hillary.

This is really big news.

If I'm understanding correctly this is essentially exit polling with early voters by William and Mary college/Targetsmart (data collecting company.) They are reporting that 28% of registered Republicans in Florida voted for Hillary Clinton. The flip side to that showed virtually zero registered Democrats voting for Donald Trump. That backs up my theory of the silent Hillary voters while proving the "closet Trump voter" to be non existent. I find it difficult to believe it's exclusive to this subset of early voters in Florida.  I'd expect more Republicans to vote for Hillary behind the curtain. Nearly a third though is just...wow.

#1379 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 523 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

You've handwaived that Clinton did anything wrong from day one and have not waivered despite the mountain of evidence. Yet 12 women randomly claim Trump touched them (raped a teenage girl, don't forget) and you're sold. I mean, for real?

How  many accusers must come forward before it means something? A dozen women are all making this up? These claims paired with that tape make it quite easy to believe these women. I guess if a woman is ugly in your eyes that negates her story? Yikes.

I don't know what to make of the underage Trump rape allegations, I haven't read much about it, however that doesn't mean Americans won't arrive at their own conclusions. It's out in the open, there will be more, it will continue. If he becomes president, it's not going to go away. That's my point. None of this will go away, no matter who is POTUS.

Despite what you righties may claim, I am not a Clinton apologist. I rarely speak about her and spend the majority of my time criticizing the tangerine dream of the Alt Right. She was not my first choice by any means. She wasn't in 2008 and she's not in 2016.

I've said this plenty of times, but you're not welcome to define my silence. Buzz expects "fairness" and "balance" in this topic, sorry but that's not how it works. I spend my time blasting Trump because I find him repugnant on many levels.

What do I believe about Clinton? That she's made lazy/arrogant mistakes, none of which were malicious in nature. The majority I suspect were born from secrecy (which is what happens when you have a political party up your ass with a magnifying glass for three decades, hardly a surprise.) What do I know? I know that no criminal charges were brought against this woman...again. I've also pointed out several times in this thread that the same group who spends millions to prosecute her, always end up exonerating her. Why do they fail so miserably? It's certainly not from a lack of trying, but from a lack of evidence.

The boy who cried wolf comes to mind often with the Republican party. There are valid complaints and issues buried underneath decades of rumors, lies, loose innuendos and conspiracy theories. But the crazies of your party drown out any legitimate grievances the potty trained Republicans may have. She should be held accountable for any misdeeds, but the GOP spend more time attacking a caricature of Clinton and whipping their base into a frenzy instead.

Let's not forget you voted for her too. We both came to that conclusion because we understand the choice we have here. It's the adult thing to do. You may be more vocal in your criticism, but that does not mean I am without my own complaints.

#1380 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 523 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
bigbri wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I said it before tho, this is a 1 term President.

I agree. For one reason, they are so damn old already. They'll both be 74 next election.


If she wins and does what Obama wouldn't, (not interested in arguing again who is to blame for gridlock) I don't see why she wouldn't get a 2nd term.  She's not an amateur coming in with a fictitious view on how Washington works.  She can come in there and nominate another Sotomayor for SCOTUS and ensure nothing gets done or she can come in and nominate someone the GOP congress can work with. 

If Hillary is a one term president, she will have no one to blame but herself.  She is in the best position to end partisan gridlock and if she accomplishes that, there's no GOP superstar looming in the background to unseat her.  Though I did hear Hillary was taking bids to host her new Clinton Mail server.  big_smile


If Clinton becomes president the GOP will continue to "investigate" her 24/7. However as long as she governs effectively and does her job, she will probably get reelected. The "scandals" over the last 25 years have tarnished her image, especially among those on the fence. But it's important to remember she had high approval ratings as both a Senator and as Secretary of State. I see no reason why she won't continue to do the same as POTUS. People are uncertain, which is understandable given the constant onslaught of negativity thrown at her.

On the other hand if Trump becomes president I'd expect the same thing to happen. His child rape trial begins at the end of November. He has 12 women who claim he groped them. He has endless baggage that come with him, more will be unearthed as time marches on. Frankly he doesn't have a clue how to govern, and his instability has already spooked Wall Street. There is going to be tremendous pressure from both Democrats and Republicans to nail his ass on something, and it won't be hard to do IMO. If Wall Street suffers, then you better believe they'll be going after him too in some capacity.  IMO a Trump presidency would be hard pressed to make it a full term, much less get re-elected.

One thing is for sure however, Trump has split an already fractured Republican party into many pieces. If he became President, the GOP is history, done, kaput...I can guarantee that much.

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