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#1391 Re: Guns N' Roses » 19/7/16 GILLETTE STADIUM, FOXBORO, MA UNITED STATES » 512 weeks ago
For the record I agree the pacing issue isn't caused by frank. They've obviously made a choice to speed up the songs to fit more in as they couldn't be accidentally doing them this fast.
That said I think Frank has a palpable lack of chemistry with Duff and Slash when compared to either Adler or Sorum.
But he seems to be here to stay so I guess I better learn to love it.
#1392 Re: Guns N' Roses » 20/7/16 GILLETTE STADIUM, FOXBORO, MA UNITED STATES » 512 weeks ago
Voice wise I thought 06-09 was awesome.
2010 was hit or miss depending on the show - generally ok but without the big screams of 06-09
2011-2014 was some tough times if you're like me and you love the rasp.
Generally 2016 has been an improvement on 2011+ but not quite at 2006 level aside from Ac/Dc where the songs facilitate constant screams \m/
#1393 Re: Guns N' Roses » 20/7/16 GILLETTE STADIUM, FOXBORO, MA UNITED STATES » 512 weeks ago
Here's an electric one to compare against.
To me catcher isn't too noticeable for mickey - I notice it more on stuff like the KOHD call and response compared to 10 years back.
#1394 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Set-List » 512 weeks ago
I'll give you I am very jaded!!
I see they added catcher today which is pretty cool. My original issue was that back to back shows with no change at all seemed lazy when it's not hard for them to swap out a song or two. So it's nice they're doing that sometimes now.
People keep talking of a christmas dvd and some new songs on a GH....if that happens I'll be much happier.
#1395 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Set-List » 512 weeks ago
Not enough time has transpired for the vault to be released. It took three years for SG fans to get new songs, album, and a box set of the vault and we're about to get Down on the Upside remastered five years after their reunion but GNR should accomplish all this in six months?
It's entirely different because Cornell didn't spend his prime creative years doing absolutely nothing.
He did 3 records with Audioslave and what 4 solo records? So that's 7 albums worth of output in the same time frame. Which is an entirely different creative headspace to then go back and relook at works you did prior to the band breaking up.
Axl on the other hand has released what 15 songs in the past 25 years? More than 10 years ago multiple witnesses talked about the dozens of other finished songs he has lying around. His last album was 8 years ago and that was songs written mostly 17 years ago or more.
There is absolutely zero reason why the band should delay songwriting other than Axl has psychological issues around it these days.
The first order of business could have been to release a comeback album (or single) much like Ac/Dc did for "Black Ice" - hell a single you could smash that out in a day just by adding Slash and Duff to one of the shit ton of vault songs Axl has. That's without them having to even make a real effort like write something new!
You used to rave on the Ashba-Ron abortion years which brought nothing but despair. Why rave on that yet have so many issues with this? What was that lineup doing that was so much better?
It sure wasn't better but that just adds to it for me. This shit is cumulative in terms of the frustration factor.
I enjoyed moments of it like I do this, but every year I get more frustrated watching the waste continue. Are they hoping to put out their other songs post posthumously?
We had to sit through how many shows where the guitarists with the most skill (Bucket/Bumble) do almost nothing while guys like DJ and Robin vamp up the lead lines? We watch as a guy like Richard who plays closest to the old style was relegated to rhythm? We endure 20+ years of album talk while the band stuffs up every chance at everything. Then Axl gives up singing with any rasp for 4 or 5 years seemingly (now) just cos he felt like it. The band seizes that as a chance to put out THE ONLY GNR blue-ray and picks the most disinteresting performance out of even that line up's tours let alone old line ups.
Then thank god this reunion happens. But as I said...it's happening as reunion-lite.
I'm excited to think about going to the Aussie shows and seeing Axl and Slash on stage again of course, but the fact that we've moved from aping 1987 AFD shows to aping 1993 UYI shows doesn't really bring me a lot of solace.
It's beyond time for the band to move forward. Start a new era. A new era is not Slash pretending to be bucket while Adler and Izzy sit out the back listening to Fortus and Frank play the parts they wrote. A new era would be one new song. Anything. Just do something new to show this is a viable creative entity going forward and not just happening to pay for Slash's divorce and fernando's next car.
I know the shows are cool. I'm looking forward to going. But I dunno....I saw the UYI tour back when KOHD had rasp....it's nice they've ended the most self-destructuve and pointless feud in recent musical history....i'm happy for them...but yeah...after fucking themselves and us for 30 years I need more than the minimum effort to be giving out little gold star stickers of approval....
#1396 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Set-List » 512 weeks ago
This is the LEAST that could happen?
REALLY?
Yep.
Axl and Slash = huge stadium tour.
People on forums seems to be acting like the success is a surprise.
But did you really think Axl and Slash was going to sell the same as DJ Ashba? As Robin?
When the real GNR is a top 10 of all time act, when AFD is the 4th highest selling record of the 1980s, when Slash has spent the past 30 years working tirelessly to assert himself as the classic rock player of his generation?
The moment there was going to be ANY reunion of Axl and Slash was the moment this shindig was headed back into stadiums.
So that's a given to me, as if the fact the shows sound good, in what world was Slash going to sound bad playing in GNR? He's been in legendary form for at least 5-6 years now.
So a huge stadium tour where they sound pretty good is minimum - the only way that wasn't going to happen was if the reunion didn't happen.
If this exceeded your expectations it's only because Axl's mental health has trained you to expect a shit storm.
What we're getting is a line up where the cheapest players are chosen over those who wrote the material, and STILL no original album or even a single even though Axl has how many records in the can and even though Slash can record an album in a matter of days. No communication on why they reunited, why other members aren't, none of the fan-service other bands do like meets and so on....no re-releases of old material even...
I didn't say it's not good. It's Axl and Slash in stadiums. Of course it's good. But after 20+ years of wastage it's kinda the least and smallest way this could go down given it was always going to be a world event.
#1397 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Set-List » 512 weeks ago
What the heck is minimal effort about a 2.5 hour set?? Huh???!!
I could list things, but to be 100% honest, I'm enjoying the boots of the shows, and I don't want to dwell on the negative aspects and spoil it for myself and others too much.
However to give you an idea, this comes after 20 years of a fake GNR with noticeable business and sound issues that they can't seem to correct, the phoned in performances by Axl with no rasp 2012-2014 for apparently no reason other than lack of enthusiasm, the meets and greets where guys like richard dont even bother to come, the expensive fan club with no content..for multiple years, the silence to fans and the contempt shown for fans when considered at all, then the reunion: .the way they sold the reunion shows in the wrong order....frank's lack of chemistry with the band ..the way they use adler at random but give fans no indication of when it will happen....not bothering to add in the alternate songs. Like I say I don't want to dwell on it - but it just feels like for many many years they basically do the smallest easiest thing. Personally as you know I don't care about Izzy but I can only pitty you bastards that do!
The one exception to this is coma back in the setlist and Slash learning stuff like TIL which I really appreciated. I'm not explaining myself well - it's not that I don't love this stuff. Perhaps I'm the only guy on here that feels this way, but I've loved this band so long, and don't get me wrong this is all so fucking great, and we never thought we'd live to see it, but there is a part of me that finds elements of this bitter sweet.
It's just kind of frustrating that they waited until Axl has *almost* lost the ability to sing in the style he made famous. He sounds great compared to 2012 but is noticeably weaker than 2006 and earlier. Fair enough can't expect a guy of 50 to sing like 40 or 20....but it's sort of frustrating that they waited until it's nearly and tangibly too late....and then decide to do something...but still when they decide to do something it still isn't the whole shebang...and it's clumsily executed.
Talk is we'll get a new GH and maybe some new tracks around December. If that happens I'll lose my shit. But yeah...I read slither on the alternate list like I read perfect crime for 10 years and oh my god for years before that and I raise an eyebrow. May it happen. However I feel we're like stockholm syndrome here. So many decades of nothing that we gleefully accept minimum order. No doubt the band would call me a cunt for saying this stuff. But I dunno. It's just so wasteful how they continue to squander opportunity after opportunity. At least they're doing this big tour now...but when you think about what could happen with a reunited tour...this is absolutely the least that you'd think would happen.
Perhaps an inane analogy - but it's like you finally hooked up with the girl you had a crush on in collage - only you do it at 45 rather than 20 - and you've had so many heartbreaks and sex isn't the mystery and adventure it used to be 
But then my life has gone to shit of late...so maybe it's just depression talking.
#1398 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Set-List » 512 weeks ago
I don't think anyone said the shows aren't good.
It's just after the past 30 years it gets frustrating that GnR always does the minimum effort compared to its peers. Less albums, less value at meet and greets, less value for fan clubs, less variety in sets, selling reunion shows in the wrong order, leaving fans to guess when they get adler and when they don't etc. Because they are so talented everything they do kicks ass anyway, but it would be nice to see them do more than the entry level of their own ability is all.
That said, they sound checked Catcher, and there's still the list of treats like Slither on the Alternative list. So I'm hopeful we'll get some variety before the tours over.
#1399 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ideal Setlist Part 3: Raw Power vs. New Rose vs. Attitude » 512 weeks ago
whichever is over the fastest...came to hear Axl sing not Duff 
#1400 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ideal Setlist Part 2: Coma vs. There Was A Time » 512 weeks ago
The best parts of TWAT Axl can not sing and Slash can't play.
I liked Slash's take on the solo.
As for Axl - time will tell - so far I thought he sung it better than 2012 but not as well as 2009. I would believe on a good night he might yet do a better version.
REALLY?