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#1391 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
I’m opposed to all of it...I’m so tired of my precious tax dollars being spent on this crap.
I mean, I haven't followed it all that closely but I believe the country voted for their new President yet the old one is refusing to leave & is staying in power. That's a humanitarian crisis, and one the US typical keeps an eye on.
We shouldn't just tell them "Rats, that sucks folks. Good luck!". We DO care about other countries after all, and human life, rights & freedoms. Somalia, Kuwait, Ethiopia during their starvation crisis.
Maybe just as little as funding and assisting their police & military, but something.
#1392 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
1. Sure we could destroy their military and the small Russian contingent present in 72 hours with total war. But I don’t think total war is an option.
2. And when we remove Maduro or he flees, then what? If we leave, we just created another Iraq. Sure, there will be a lot less jihadists in Venezuela, but we’ll just get a different ideology connected to communism that all extremist groups in Central America derive from. Communists guerillas in the likeness of Che isn’t any better or different than jihadis. They use the same tactics and kill the same minorities.
1. Yeah, that too. If it escalates it could lead to near all out war as Russia wouldn't want to tolereate the US being in a Venezuelan war for a long time.
2. Good point about, maybe not jihadists per se, but rebels & revolutionaries hating America for the invasion, as that would definitely lead to attacks from within the US (via migrating up here). We do have to be careful, but do the right thing as well. Touchy.
Wasn't Panama in the 80s sorta similar? I thought we removed Noriega yet assisted Panama in stabilizing. (Having a canal crucial to our economy probably helps, lol)
#1393 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
I understand not having the stomach for a drawn out conflict, but I dont get why we dont have the stomach for this and do things half-assed instead. We have the ability to just go in, do what needs to be done and get out before it becomes a big mess, but we don't want to do it. We twiddle our thumbs until it becomes a big mess, then we get involved. Its totally backwards.
Honestly, in some ways, having 3 or 4 deaths can be seen as bad as having 4000. Black Hawk Down & Benghazi, not trying to make it a Dem v Rep issue, there were others. I think Reagan had Beirut & Grenada, I was younger then so don't know all the details & if each of those was a similar issue, but hopefully you get my point.
If Trump choses to invade Venezuela in any way, and a few US deaths occur, or a substantial amount of Veny citizens, it'll also impact his re-election, not saying end his chances, but likely it'll become an issue. Albeit I don't see how Liz Warren, Cory Booker, Peter Butleig etc are masters of international diplomacy & foreign conflict, so its a tit for tat thing. Trump best bet (purely politically), is to wait until public opinion changes to that of which we MUST go in. I kinda wonder if thats what HW was doing all along with Desert Shield (for about 9 months we were in Kuwait just kinda standing our ground, then around Feb 91 we went on a 3 day attack)
#1394 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
So does anyone think it’s a good idea for the US to use military force in Venezuela? I sure as hell don’t think so. I have no interest in creating a situation to encourage/force millions of migrants to head to the US.
If I put on my conspiracy cap, I’d say Russia and China have a keen interest in encouraging conflicts in Central America to force migration to the US. The same for encouraging African/Arab migrants to head towards Europe. You’ll notice Russia and China don’t allow millions to illegally force their way into their countries.
Now you talkiin my language. Actually is a pretty solid theory. It is said that Russia definitely wants a communist' presence to remain in Cuba & Venezuela, so you're conspiracy isn't too much of a stretch (not bad for a novice 
), althought it makes it a bit of a big picture goal (7/10). I think they do want Venezuela to be an elite country, kinda usurping Brazil/Rio as the SA capital city. I read an article Columbia has made a huge rebound over the past years.
Military force? Depends. I mean, at some point if they don't have a President or Maduro refuses to leave & takes to violence to stay in office, then yeah we need to step in. Just a quick whoop-ass though, Desert Storm/1991/3 days style.
#1395 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I wonder who Mueller was referring to when he was talking about the media. Think he meant Fox News or the 99%?
Edit: I see you edited your own analysis. I wish I had your ability to inject an interpretation and call it fact. I guess the part where Mueller said he didn't disagree with anything Barr said failed to make it on your radar.
Yeah, I figured if Barr can give his own subjective opinion, so can Pasnow.
Plus figured Id paraphrase for those at work, without much time etc.
Yup...you sure can. Especially when not once have certain people on this board ever question Barr’s credibility despite him being appointed to that position barely one month prior.
They sure have been questioning yours though. Hmmm
That awkward moment when a poster on a Guns N Roses message board faces higher credibility & procedural standards than the country's AG
#1396 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:Letter from Mueller to Barr (per Fox News): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muelle … sia-report
I wonder who Mueller was referring to when he was talking about the media. Think he meant Fox News or the 99%?
Edit: I see you edited your own analysis. I wish I had your ability to inject an interpretation and call it fact. I guess the part where Mueller said he didn't disagree with anything Barr said failed to make it on your radar.
Yeah, I figured if Barr can give his own subjective opinion, so can Pasnow.
Plus figured Id paraphrase for those at work, without much time etc.
#1397 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Letter from Mueller to Barr (per Fox News): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muelle … sia-report
In a nutshell, you f#cked it all up.
#1398 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Not able to watch it but from cnn.com seems Barr is not having a good day at testimony.
#1399 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … eal-estate
No Taxes Taxes. Article about real estate moguls paying $0 in taxes.
#1400 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
lol, u must have 500 pages you'd need to catch up on.
Cliff Notes version: Mitch, SLC, BigBri & I debate with Randall, SG & Buzzsaw for 500 pages.
Got bad maybe on occasion, surprisingly not all that much during the Mueller release.
