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#1431 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

The fact that almost every poll is oversampling democrat heavy groups is the meaty supporting evidence. .

Not it most certainly is not. Dude this has been explained to you in this thread a few times already. Why do you keep doing this?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the … ing-badly/

The basic premise of the unskewers is wrong. Most pollsters don’t weight their results by party self-identification, which polls get by asking a question like “generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a….” Party identification is an attitude, not a demographic. There isn’t some national number from the government that tells us how many Democrats and Republicans there are in the country. Some states collect party registration data, but many states do not. Moreover, party registration is not the same thing as party identification. In a state like Kentucky, for example, there are a lot more registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but more voters identified as Republican in the 2014 election exit polls.

A person’s party identification can shift, and therefore the overall balance between parties does too. Democrats have typically had an advantage in self-identification — a 4 percentage point edge in 2000, a 7-point advantage in 2008 and a 6-point edge in 2012, according to exit polls — but they had no advantage in the 2004 election. Since 1952, however, almost every presidential election has featured a Democratic advantage in party identification.

#1432 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

Trump's insane clown posse constituency....

The Price I’ve Paid for Opposing Donald Trump

I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”

I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.

When we both publicized some of the racist attacks — I in National Review and Nancy in the Washington Post — things took a far more ominous turn. Late the next evening — while Nancy was, fortunately, offline attending a veterans’ charity event in D.C. — the darker quarters of the alt-right found her Patheos blog. Several different accounts began posting images and GIFs of extreme violence in her comments section.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … p-movement

#1433 Re: The Garden » 270 to win 2016 Edition » 524 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

http://www.270towin.com/presidential_ma … /4nNQk.png

I'm betting $25 this is how it turns out. Any takers?

Based on today's polling numbers, I'd have the same map. My only exception is that Utah will go red, it just won't go to Trump. That would give Trump 180.

Edit: What BigBri said looks like, haha

#1434 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Starting to clean up the polls?

The national polling average has Hillary up by 5, funny you left that part out.

#1435 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

The Clinton supporters seem so arrogant in this thread. Why do you guys care so much that Pollux and I think Trump may make this closer than the polls show (like Brexit). I feel like this constant citing of the polls and your feelings reveals your insecurities.

That's so funny you say that. Just last week I was at my doctor and he was explaining the correlation between high cholesterol and heart disease for somebody my age. I didn't believe him, so he trotted out years of data that showed the connection. He arrogantly suggested I switch to a vegan diet, and provided further studies showing men with cholesterol <150 never developed heart disease. The entire conversation reeked of insecurity on his end, and I told him so!

#1436 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

This thread becomes so circular after a while.

Polling showed Trump trouncing the GOP primary field. It was quite accurate.

Polling now shows Hillary beating Trump. This also includes internal polling from the Republican party.

But now somehow this information is "skewed" and we're also not accounting for other factors. Give me a break.

TheMole wrote:

Clever guy you are quoting here pollux, those are litterally the only two options...

haha, this reminds me of a stock market analyst I read a few years ago. He predicted the market would either go up, or could possibly go down. Genius I tell ya!

#1437 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

The amount of voters relative to last election though is advantage Trump.

The numbers says the exact opposite thus far, except in Iowa.

polluxlm wrote:

And he wins independents big in any honest polling,

Says who? What polls?

polluxlm wrote:

Of course it is...

#1438 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

Here is my 270-to-win map, using RCP state averages. Margin of error is generally 3-4%. I only give a state to a candidate if they are at +4 or higher.

As you can see there are a few "toss up states" left on the map. But even with that, Hillary already has it locked down.

A few things to note:

NC is trending Clinton + 2.5 with her winning all recent state polling. I'd imagine the likelihood of her picking that state up is high.
AZ has been trending Clinton over the last couple of polls (+5 and +2) , but her average is only +1.3 at this point. Could she really take AZ? It certainly looks like a possibility.
UT is within margin of error, but I'd imagine McMullin gets the Beehive state before Clinton. Either way, Trump may not get the EVs.
Alaska too was within margin of error.

Lets say that Trump won every single toss up state on this map. He would still  lose, falling 40 EVs short.

More than likely Hillary will pick up NC and OH,  putting her around 341. If she can get AZ that would put her at 352.

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#1439 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

Raw votes?

Won't even be close. Give me some of what you guys are smokin'.

#1440 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 524 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Look, the media will never say Trump won. But this election is going to be very close!  It will NOT be a blow out like most of you think.


What? I'd guess  330ish EVs for Hillary at least.

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