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#1451 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
What did you guys think of the debates. I couldn’t watch tonight, so I’ll try to get caught up tomorrow.
#1452 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
Guess who’s proving they can’t read once again! “ Let’s make up arguments because we can’t stick to the one we started with because we were embarrassed at our lack of knowledge.”
Warning: More insults forthcoming and unintelligible ramblings from the person who just admitted they intentionally avoid news.
#1453 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:“did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
Right from the report, Mitch. You just admitted you don’t read the news, and actively avoid it. This is why you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.
The rest of your post is just noise with no attempt at rhyme or reason.
You make an audacious claim of new standards or more evidence existing for a charge, then when presented with reality you change the subject and talk about different things.
We’re all aware that Trump is accused of obstruction by Democrats. Mueller was sure to clarify his office has no stance on the issue, but you’re free to hope a democrat wins next year, and goes after Trump - the same shit you predicted Trump would do to Clinton (which never happened). Then you’ll pretend this is all new and somehow righteous.
It’s funny to me, because you’re completely ignorant of how ignorant you are.
I see you're graduating from the Bill Barr school of revision....I think it's mostly accepted that Barr took that line out of context, conveniently.
You changed the subject....you started talking about the Clintons and fuckin' Baltimore. These topics were not relavant to my orginal point
Classic whatabout-ism
....jesus christ man...pot meet kettle.
I’m directly replying to your post, things you said. I’m seriously done with you. No one should engage with you, because you can’t remember what you posted 5 minutes earlier.
You’re a broken person who needs attention from strangers on the internet, and thrives off it.
This is why everyone ignores you or points out your idiocy. It’s very much deserved. Just go away.
#1454 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
“did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
Right from the report, Mitch. You just admitted you don’t read the news, and actively avoid it. This is why you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.
The rest of your post is just noise with no attempt at rhyme or reason.
You make an audacious claim of new standards or more evidence existing for a charge, then when presented with reality you change the subject and talk about different things.
We’re all aware that Trump is accused of obstruction by Democrats. Mueller was sure to clarify his office has no stance on the issue, but you’re free to hope a democrat wins next year, and goes after Trump - the same shit you predicted Trump would do to Clinton (which never happened). Then you’ll pretend this is all new and somehow righteous.
It’s funny to me, because you’re completely ignorant of how ignorant you are.
#1455 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
If impeachment proceedings do not occur under Trump the precedent set will be that there is virtually no standard and impeachment proceedings should never occur again in this country.
The republicans proceeded with impeachment and had far less.
I’m so tired of the spineless democrats always taking the high road and losing.
Where do you come up with this nonsense. Seriously. Clinton lied under oath about having a relationship with Lewinsky. He was on record attempting to bribe Lewinsky to shut up, and used White House staff to smear her. If it wasn’t for the dress, nothing would have came from it and you’d still be calling Lewinsky a whore and Clinton an innocent man.
Those are facts. Clinton was impeached over perjury and obstruction of justice. Mueller repeatedly stated there is no evidence to suggest Trump or anyone colluded/conspired with Russia. Or did you not read the report or watch last week’s circus. I’m sure you’ll toss some insults my way and move on to more bullshit accusations, but you clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
You’re free to say lying about a blow job doesn’t warrant impeachment. Maybe I’m inclined to agree with you.
But you don’t get to say absolutely false shit like there’s more evidence Trump obstructed justice than Clinton. Clinton obstructed justice trying to cover up his objective crime of perjury. Trump wanted to end an investigation he knew to be a democratic smear and which a 2 year investigation found no evidence to support.
You’re free to say this warrants impeachment. But you don’t get to lie and repeat falsehoods because you’re an ignorant partisan who parrots whatever talking point flashes in front of you during the whole two minutes you seek out information each day.
Call me names, scream MAGA. We’re all very impressed by your intellectual might.
Your party isn’t taking the high road. They’re swinging as low as they can with constant accusations of racism and weaponizing 30 year old sexual assault allegations that no one in the room supports.
Baltimore is a shit hole and the murder capital of the US. The mayor, who just resigned for corruption, was on tv last year saying exactly what Trump said. Rats, feces, garbage and incredible street violence. And rather than hold hearings on Baltimore and work to fix it, Cummings is going after Trump’s kids so people like you can chuckle and cheer on the charade. Seriously, on what planet do you get to claim any moral superiority. You cried about Benghazi, but how many committees are searching for something to deflect from the lack of policy and achievements from the current Democratic Party.
Pick up a book. Read an actual newspaper. You’ll be amazed at how wrong you are.
So when you talk about setting new standards for impeachment, it’s completely laughable. Clinton lied under oath and obstructed justice. You don’t get to claim he didn’t. The Democrats didn’t care and voted to acquit. Hillary mishandled classifies information (a felony which ruined Petraeus’ career) and then deleted 30k emails and destroyed evidence under subpoena. And your party did nothing, not even condemn it.
But Trump tried to end a completely bullshit investigation built on Russian intelligence Clinton paid for, and you have the gall to claim “double standards”. It’s just so absurd it’s hysterical.
#1456 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
There’s not an objective answer to your questions. Some people can live on $8 an hour today. Others can’t live on $30.
But as I posted earlier, the goal post is already being moved. The squad is now squaking for $20 an hour. Much of the argument for a higher minimum wage is based on a utopian dream of equality. Somehow equality under the law has been confused with equality in life experience. Neither are entirely possible, but the former can almost be achieved. But those parroting “no one is above the law” turn a blind eye to millions of illegals or a democratic candidate that objectively obstructs justice by destroying evidence under subpoena.
So the answer to your first question is people can live on a wage less than $15 an hour, they just won’t have the standard of living they want on that wage.
With regard to the second question, it’s more hypothetical and conjecture than the first. If people are capable of earning more, they generally do. I don’t know anyone who wants to do the same job for less.
Either the market will adjust for those with a skill, or those with a skill will take the jobs of the unskilled, displacing them further. I’m inclined to think it’s the latter, but your guess is as good as mine. I love Friedman, but even he couldn’t predict the future.
#1457 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:The McDonalds argument always cracks me up. A company Wawa has been entirely automated for 10 years and they are thriving, and hiring. Staff just got better reassigned. Instead of some rando asking what you want on your hoagie, you type it into the kiosk. Obvi the sandwiches are made to order, and employees not robots make them, so they're better staffed. And people still pay cash or buy other things like chips & soda, so there's still cashiers. It's not become a vending machine.
It's kinda like a 7-11, only better. Stores probably average about 6-10 employees on a decent shift, larger stores closer to 20-30 at a time. No fear.
I agree having kids while 19 & in poverty is not going to help people, and probably need better PSA's about the downside to early/teen pregnancy as a whole.
Customer Service they've been talking about getting rid of since the early 2000s, problem is Americans want someone to yell at (believe me, I spent too many years in the industry. It fucked with my head). It'll never goto India and never be fully robotic. If anything, it's making it worse for CS reps because the easy calls "Hi I'd like to pay my bill" are now handled by automation, leaving only the angry nimrods who haven't paid their bill for 4 months yet are now shutoff are still getting thru to humans, leaving them to deal with the shit.
Most $15/hr plans are 5-7 year trajectories, not overnight. We let too much time lapse in the early 2000s without raising it until Obama finally raised it for the first time since I think the 90s.
WaWa is so overrated. But do they all make $15 an hour? WaWa is a convenience store. It’s the easiest thing in the world to automate. I’m aware state regulations require ID checks for booze and smokes, but we have biometric readers at customs to skip the line. I’d wager that tech could be leveraged to get people out of WaWa faster too.
Thats cause u live on the left side of the state, Sheetz country.
I dont think stores could go fully automated, ppl could just run out without paying. Myb 20 years from now but no time soon
I dont think they make 15 but my point was towards fears of McDs kiosks.
I don’t care for Sheetz, but no one gets excited about going to Sheetz. When I lived in Philly, it was an event for people. I’ve never gone to Sheetz for lunch. I went to WaWa several times.
No one is worried about kiosks. It’s what the kiosks represent. The fries, the drinks, even the burgers. You can youtube automated production lines operating right now in China. And that’s without significant R&D. McDonalds puts $100 million into creating automated equipment, and McDonalds and all similarity skilled labor goes away. McDonalds would be a janitor and manager who handles complaints and calls for repairs.
Extend that timeline long enough, and that’s every job. Lawyers, doctors, etc. I’m in the healthcare business now with a major investor in medical tech. IBM’s Watson already diagnoses better than any human, and its only getting better, and can easily be replicated in every corner store.
An artificial minimum wage as high as $15 encourages if not forces low skill employers to automate. Poor people don’t go quietly into the night, and there’s going to be a lot more of them if safeguards against automation don’t happen. An ever exploding population doesn’t help this.
#1458 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Tilab has already started advocating for a $20 minimum wage. It’s a horrible idea because if you’re not worth $15 an hour now, your job is one of the first to be automated. Realistically, McDonalds could be entirely automated with existing technology. They’ve already replaced cashiers with iPads.
I’m not against raising the minimum wage, but minimum wage was never meant to provide a livable wage for adults with families. No one wants to tell people if you’re too poor to provide for yourself, you shouldn’t be having children. No one wants to acknowledge that admitting millions of economic migrants isn’t helping them when all low skilled jobs are automated over the next 10 years.
You can’t walk into any modern warehouse without seeing completely automated systems. Customer Service is being replaced with automation. The entire trucking and rail industry could be automated tomorrow if their union and lobbies didn’t have friends in congress.
Bernie Sanders can’t even afford to pay his staff $15 an hour. Yet somehow he’s a voice on implementing this nationwide?
The McDonalds argument always cracks me up. A company Wawa has been entirely automated for 10 years and they are thriving, and hiring. Staff just got better reassigned. Instead of some rando asking what you want on your hoagie, you type it into the kiosk. Obvi the sandwiches are made to order, and employees not robots make them, so they're better staffed. And people still pay cash or buy other things like chips & soda, so there's still cashiers. It's not become a vending machine.
It's kinda like a 7-11, only better. Stores probably average about 6-10 employees on a decent shift, larger stores closer to 20-30 at a time. No fear.
I agree having kids while 19 & in poverty is not going to help people, and probably need better PSA's about the downside to early/teen pregnancy as a whole.
Customer Service they've been talking about getting rid of since the early 2000s, problem is Americans want someone to yell at (believe me, I spent too many years in the industry. It fucked with my head). It'll never goto India and never be fully robotic. If anything, it's making it worse for CS reps because the easy calls "Hi I'd like to pay my bill" are now handled by automation, leaving only the angry nimrods who haven't paid their bill for 4 months yet are now shutoff are still getting thru to humans, leaving them to deal with the shit.
Most $15/hr plans are 5-7 year trajectories, not overnight. We let too much time lapse in the early 2000s without raising it until Obama finally raised it for the first time since I think the 90s.
WaWa is so overrated. But do they all make $15 an hour? WaWa is a convenience store. It’s the easiest thing in the world to automate. I’m aware state regulations require ID checks for booze and smokes, but we have biometric readers at customs to skip the line. I’d wager that tech could be leveraged to get people out of WaWa faster too.
#1459 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 354 weeks ago
Tilab has already started advocating for a $20 minimum wage. It’s a horrible idea because if you’re not worth $15 an hour now, your job is one of the first to be automated. Realistically, McDonalds could be entirely automated with existing technology. They’ve already replaced cashiers with iPads.
I’m not against raising the minimum wage, but minimum wage was never meant to provide a livable wage for adults with families. No one wants to tell people if you’re too poor to provide for yourself, you shouldn’t be having children. No one wants to acknowledge that admitting millions of economic migrants isn’t helping them when all low skilled jobs are automated over the next 10 years.
You can’t walk into any modern warehouse without seeing completely automated systems. Customer Service is being replaced with automation. The entire trucking and rail industry could be automated tomorrow if their union and lobbies didn’t have friends in congress.
Bernie Sanders can’t even afford to pay his staff $15 an hour. Yet somehow he’s a voice on implementing this nationwide?
#1460 Re: Guns N' Roses » anyone hear the atlas clip leak » 355 weeks ago
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