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#1461 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

How many times have we heard that already?

I don't put much credence in polls conducted by Hillary's super PAC. Obviously designed to distract from the defeat on Sunday. Voters aren't that fickle. Check it out and you'll see the usual double digit oversampling of democrats.

Trump will battle on with enthusiasm and a solidified base. Prospective Hillary voters thinking it's a lock will only help him.


This has been explained to you over and over again. We've provided articles to you, written by statisticians ,presenting and explaining why your fallacies are just that, yet you repeat the same things again and again.

I guess it's inline with all the other Trump supporters though, facts are meaningless, the fix is in, polls are skewed, Republicans, women, minorities, evangelicals...everybody is part of the establishment.

When Trump loses then everybody will just claim they were right the entire time, the fix was in, you see? It's the worst thing for a democracy, a blowhard psycho who will not graciously concede he lost. Guarantee you Trump won't, and neither will his fans.  I hope there is not violence.

#1462 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:

Plus, the primary source is such an unreliable narrator, he probably doesn't even know or remember his initial motivation.

This made me LOL.


johndivney wrote:

Say the speculations are true, or even just one- that he wasn't anticipating it getting this far, then the morons that he roped into his craziness are as responsible for the harm done. The phrase, you get what you deserve springs to mind for those people.. & also the phrase, we get the politicians we deserve. This summer has really proven that to be true to my eyes. Not just in Hicksville USA but in Little England too. It's been some year.

Good post, I would have repped you if you had it turned on.

#1463 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

Whether he is purposely destroying the GOP, I don't know. But I think it's safe to say he doesn't care who, or what, he steamrolls as long as it can benefit him in the long run.

I have also read that he's all about the backend on this. No interest as POTUS, but ultimately a media empire of sorts. I am not sure if I believe that or not, although it certainly could be possible and may be profitable for a while. He may want to ask Glenn Beck how that worked out for him though...

Also I think if he did this for his brand, not anticipating getting this far ever, he probably did more harm than good.

I can't wait to read the book about all this when it's over. If this is the chaos we see, I can only imagine how dysfunctional and insane it is behind the scenes.

#1464 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

He is setting up excuses for his loss: Not enough support, party turned on him, they are losers and afraid to fight etc.

He will smash the GOP (which is already fractured) into many pieces on his way out too.

#1465 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

I too have been very troubled with the hacking, Wikileaks and Trump's connections to Russia. It's much more disturbing to me then him being a sexist douchebag, that's for sure.

This is also where our tabloid 24/7 "news" media and our uneducated populace fails. In an educated society with legitimate news, this would be one of the top stories. Instead we'll get a couple dozen articles written, that will simply be swallowed up by all the other noise.

#1466 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

You know it. ^^^

The problem Trump has now is that he's just doubling down (tripling down) on his hardcore base. He's trimming away everybody else, but making the Brietbart types thrilled with his talk of jailing Hillary, 90's sex stuff etc etc. The hardcore right base isn't going to get him elected.

Glenn Beck....GLENN BECK just came out today in favor of Hillary. Not necessarily a ringing endorsement, but in favor of Hillary Clinton. Between him and Flagg....I just don't understand anything anymore.

#1467 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

Is Trump a Sufferable Evil?

The emergence Friday of the disgusting Trump tape was a gift to the Republican party. It provided an occasion, at the very last minute, for the party to dump a fundamentally unworthy and radically unfit nominee. At the very least it provided an occasion for the party to separate itself radically from that nominee.

But it's always easier to find excuses for inaction than to mobilize to take bold and difficult action. Sunday night's debate may prove an excuse for inaction. If so, it will mark an important station on the road to disaster.

Here's the problem: Some Republican leaders could well make the mistake of thinking that because Donald Trump wasn't destroyed at the debate, there isn't now a dire need to act. They could decide that because Trump didn't dissolve into a puddle in the center of the town hall, the situation has stabilized, and the status quo is sustainable. That would be a fatal mistake. Hillary Clinton failed to do the GOP the favor of landing a knockout blow on Donald Trump Sunday night. But he is nonetheless on a path to defeat, a resounding defeat that will do great damage to the Republican party.

Some Republicans are saying Trump stopped the bleeding. Maybe. For now. But the patient remains on a downward trajectory, and it's a misdiagnosis to think he can recover. And the only hope for that other and more important patient, the Republican party, is a surgery to remove Trump. But GOP leaders could well embrace the misdiagnosis that nothing radical needs be done. If they do, Trump will lose—and as things turn south again in the next days and weeks, so too will Republicans lose the Senate and perhaps the House, and many of their hopes for the future.

The Declaration of Independence identified the problem: "All experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." Republicans may be disposed to suffer, rather than take bold action, contrary to the forms to which they are accustomed, to shove Trump aside. Republican leaders may think, or hope, that Trump is a sufferable evil. They will be cruelly disappointed in that judgment.

Or will some key GOP leaders—such as Paul Ryan, or Mike Pence—see further than their contemporaries, and act boldly?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/is-trump- … le/2004796

#1468 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

Prior to the town hall debate Sunday night, Donald Trump held a press conference featuring three women who have accused President Bill Clinton of sexual harassment, assault and other sexual improprieties.

It was a bizarre scene considering Trump himself confessed to being a harasser of women in a leaked video from 2005. The press conference became especially absurd when news outlets began relaying all of the horrible things Trump has said about these women in years past.

In a 1998 interview with Chris Matthews, for example, Trump called Paula Jones “a loser.”

Jones, who settled a sexual harassment suit against Bill Clinton, was invited by the Trump campaign to sit in the family’s box during the debate.

Throughout the 1990s, Trump consistently expressed a general disdain for Jones, and Clinton’s other alleged victims, saying in an interview with Fox News’ Neil Cavuto that Bill Clinton was the real victim in these instances.

“His victims are terrible. He is, he is really a victim himself,” Trump said. “The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it’s just a really unattractive group. I’m not just talking about physical.”

Trump went as far as to blame Jones for potentially ruining Clinton’s presidency. “The fact is that she may be responsible for bringing down a president indirectly,” he said.

In the jaw dropping press conference Sunday night, Trump seemed to be exploiting these women at Hillary Clinton’s expense, trying to embarrass her before the high-stakes debate.

However, in the ’90s, Trump touted a different tune, saying he was impressed with the way the first lady handled these scandals.

“I think she’s gone through terrible times,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in an interview. “I think she’s been through more than any woman should have to bear.”

Trump, now buried in his own sexual assault scandals, apparently believes Hillary can carry some more contempt and ridicule.

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/10/donald- … -his-face/

#1470 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Cramer wrote:

How long until the next Trump tape drops? I think that will be the final blow. You know damn well something is out there and they are holding it.

My guess is that was it for both of em.  Julian Assange released his big bomb & so did the Clintons with their leak of the video.  The friday before the 2nd debate is likely the biggest day to make an impact. Unless someone hasn't informed anyone of what they're holding onto, and have something big, that's it.  My guess is the rest are just going to be smaller, copycat type things.


A transcript just came out from the Apprentice. Nothing too crazy, but as usual Trump talking about a female's looks, and how unhappy he is with her face/skin. I still think there will be more big bombs (N word tape), guess we'll see.

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