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#1491 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 371 weeks ago
^^ Similar to the JFK conspiracies. The coverup was due to 'National Security'. Plus, they know Trump would go apeshit if he was indicted and recommend to his loyal supporters to begin rioting. It'll be better for the country to just ease him out of office somehow.
#1492 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 371 weeks ago
Frontline has a really good 1 hour doc again on the Mueller probe. Looks more into the timeline to the saga as it happened, then diving into the probe. Was a chaotic time, funny cause the President just went off course in soo many instances it baffled DC insiders. The Lester Holt interview, Trumps idea. The alibi of Russian adoptions, Trumps idea. Firing Comey, Trumps idea. The interview with Putin, Trumps idea. They show he even ended the presser, then stepped back to the podium to add: "BTW, did anyone see this Peter Strok testimony? So bad. Fake News, fake news. It's all a witch hunt I tell you. And its ashame whats been done to this country." Without even being asked. People were floored over how bad the optics looked, of Trump being investigated into colluding with Russia, and he sides with Russia while 10 ft away from Putin. Same thing with the meeting he had with Russians the day after he fired Comey, he's meeting with Russians. The guy can't even get out of his own way with this stuff.
I have a conspiracy over this. I think Trump got off on a technicality. Possibly, 'In the interest of national security', fearing a potential civil unrest or danger to the safety of this country, possibly a fall in our global standing, Mueller did not want to take it upon himself to risk national safety, so he passed the idea of removing a sitting President, possible serious charges, to the AG to make that decision. Barr, wording it as 'No reason to indict the President'.
I also think some of it may not have gone down like we're told. Namely, Comey & Rosenstein. I think they may have been Yes-Men early on, agreeing to be a Trump company guy. Read Comey's lines from that 1 on 1 dinner, and there's two sides to them. One, a guy taking an adamant line in the sand type approach, yet another, a guy willing to play along, be a part of the team. Rosenstein too, as he helped draft the reasonings to fire Comey, blaming the Hillary case. That's pretty much obstruction right there, and I think after he did it, he knew he was caught & what he did might've been illegal, so he turned himself around. Probably hired a PR rep to help save himself in this. Both of them likely did. Sessions too wouldn't surprise us if he was involved, partly covering his own tracks. Again, Trump fired him what was it, the day after Cohen was raided.
Which leads me to a thought on the obstruction case. Could it be possible that if Trump had a FBI director lying with him, an AG & deupty AG lying with him, that may be a way out of an obstruction case? Either Trump wasn't lying, everyone around him was in on it, OR maybe plead naive, and that he just thought it was business as usual since all these DC insiders were going along with him. And maybe thats why Mueller held off on determining charges, leaving it up to the AG. Maybe the decision was to indict all of them, plus Kushner, Reince, Bannon etc that soo many indictments could be given over it that again, a national crisis.
Lastly, I think the SDNY case may be outright laundering from foreign countries, paying to play. Cohen was a hardcore Trump supporter, unwilling to sway. Here comes the state with charges and no ability for Trump to pardon him, Cohen had to turn. To accept what, 3 years in prison is a pretty long sentence to willingly accept, actual charges must be way worse. All of it had to have stemmed from Flynn, and his testimony & knowledge of the Trump campaign. With Trump running his mouth about pure innocence and exoneration has to be ticking off those who know what's really going on, and they're only gonna come down much harder when the time does come.
My prediction: Barr releases a heavily redacted version, covering up alot of Muellers findings and reasonings. Dems fight it with subpoena, SDNY files major charges in summer/fall. In time, either report gets released or just leaks.
#1493 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
Matt Dowd was on GMA and said sooner or later all the details will leak, even the redacted parts.
I dont know all the ins & outs of it all but I suppose it isnt Earth shattering to make such a claim. Could be weeks or months but alot of ppl worked on the case and have knowledge of it.
#1494 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
Trump also threatened to end Obamacare & with it, the ability of Health Insurers to not cover people due to pre-existing conditions. Essentially say 'No' to older people, which we're close to becoming. Now he claims the GOP is going to magically come up with a healthcare plan to replace it that is far better than the ACA. Yet nothing is close to being drafted, just all talk.
#1495 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
50% of voters support Trump. 3% better than Obama at this same point.
Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump inherited the highest Dow Jones stock market index of all time. So there is that.
#1496 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
Trump will win in 2020 unless Biden runs. Nobody currently in the field can take him.
I sortof agree with this statement, although there's 2 asteriks I'd like to note down.
1. Trump can still bring himself down when the Mueller report is released.
2. Still a year & half away, time for him to do or say something remarkably stupid, OR, the Obama gravytrain economy finally slows down after the DOWs been hitting record highs since 2013 & unemployments been dropping since as well.
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#1497 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:It's analogies like these we need to use to reiterate all we know:
Mueller did not establish conspiracy. That’s different from saying he found no collusion. Sometimes my father-in-law can’t find his car in the parking lot. That doesn’t mean his car is not there. We need to see the full report to understand the facts so we can safeguard elections
— Barb McQuade (@BarbMcQuade) March 27, 2019For instance: OJ was found Not Guilty does not equal: OJ did not kill Nicole.
But they had a knife, DNA and a black jury. They have a dossier the author can’t verify, paid by Clinton and nothing else. Please, keep the conspiracy going. Tell all your friends it’s all true.
If a husband hires a private investigator to follow his wife, does it get thrown out of court cause the husband "paid for it"?
#1498 Re: The Garden » I could use a hand » 372 weeks ago
Hey just wanted to follow up, it was actually a success (technically speaking), the stream was buffering early on till I lowered the bitrate, but still a clean feed & remained steady throughout. Here's a clip of how it kinda displayed during the film:
Pretty much real time, about a minute lag for the Tweet to arrive to go thru the streaming server encoded. Plus whatever time it took to capture the Tweet, pretty much immediate to another minute, depending. But Tweets stayed up throughout, albeit repeating when needed.
#1499 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
It's analogies like these we need to use to reiterate all we know:
Mueller did not establish conspiracy. That’s different from saying he found no collusion. Sometimes my father-in-law can’t find his car in the parking lot. That doesn’t mean his car is not there. We need to see the full report to understand the facts so we can safeguard elections
— Barb McQuade (@BarbMcQuade) March 27, 2019
For instance: OJ was found Not Guilty does not equal: OJ did not kill Nicole.
#1500 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 372 weeks ago
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-news-l … 06546.html
The Mueller report “undoubtedly” contains evidence of collusion between Donald Trump and Russia, according to Fox Business legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, contradicting the verdict of attorney-general William Barr and risking the president’s ire.
Uh-oh. Something weird is going down. Trump is going far too celebratory & victory lap, doing pep rallies etc. I think he knows Barr let him off the hook.
