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#1511 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
I'm a little shocked by this, but it appear the evangelicals have finally had enough.
Nearly 100 evangelical leaders have signed onto a letter urging their fellow Christians to vote against Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who, they write, “has fueled white American nationalism with xenophobic appeals and religious intolerance at the expense of gospel values, democratic principles, and important international relationships.”
#1512 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Republicans should take the opportunity to purge the crazies from the party. They were embarrassed by these people before Trump. It's the Palin effect.
I kind of feel like Trump is going to destroy the GOP this year if he wins or loses. Doesn't matter which one.
But they talked about the 2012 "autopsy" and then went right back to crazytown almost immediately. So who the hell knows...
#1513 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
#1514 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Even more Republicans come forward....
30 former GOP lawmakers sign anti-Trump letter
More than two dozen former Republican members of Congress released a letter Thursday saying they cannot vote for Donald Trump because he "makes a mockery" of their principles.
"Given the enormous power of the office, every candidate for president must be judged rigorously in assessing whether he or she has the competence, intelligence, knowledge, understanding, empathy, judgment, and temperament necessary to keep America on a safe and steady course," the lawmakers wrote. "Donald Trump fails on each of those measures, and he has proven himself manifestly unqualified to be president."
#1515 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Trump says he's not prepping for this town hall debate either, and is sure Hillary is just "resting". Weird guy.
A new tape has surfaced of Donald talking about women he'd like to fuck or has tried to fuck. I'm sure Melania is going to love this since they were newly married at this time.
It's something new with this guy everyday:
Grab them by the pussy
#1516 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Bro, have your ever seen a late term aborted baby? They deserve more than a trash can.
Most abortions are not due to rape but more to do with being irresponsible.
Abstain
Condoms
Birth ControlGetting pregnancy in 2016 IS A CHOICE.
You generally can't find out all genetic abnormalities until 20 weeks.
My niece got pregnant at 26. She was told she could never have children (medical reason) and was on some form of birth control to help regulate hormones. She got pregnant and now has a beautiful 19 month old boy.
SG, you do realize late term abortions are not the norm and have to do with complications of the pregnancy or the mothers life is in danger, right? No one really waits around until the last moment to abort a healthy fetus. If I knew that I was going to have a kid with a debilitating disease that required them to be bed ridden for their entire life, where quality of life would be horrible, I would support ending the pregnancy late. Like the kid who lives with open sores all over his body, all the time, in constant 24 hour pain, who wishes his mother had aborted him to saved him from that... I could not live with myself.
The majority of complications will occur in the first trimester. After that the likelihood of a miscarriage is very low (less than 1% generally.) As I said though genetic testing is done around 20 weeks as well as the anatomy scan. I think this is why the conservatives put such an emphasis on the 20 week time frame. They know darn well that's when I couple can find out bad news, but they want to lock them in anyway. Seems cruel to me.
I do not like abortion at all, although I realize it's necessary and it's none of my business how people deal with their pregnancy.
#1517 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Does everyone here like Pence as a person? Seems rock solid.
He is an evangelical nut and vehemently anti gay to the point of hysteria. Sure he's mild mannered like good ole Huckabee, but he also governs from the bible, which I find deeply unAmerican.
If you're cool with that, then you'll be fine with Pence.
#1518 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
I was thinking about Flagg's post. It reminded me of the "quiet Trump supporter" theory when polling and why I think it's wrong. In fact I think it may be the exact opposite of that.
There are a couple of things that come to mind.
1) "Quiet" and "Trump supporter" don't necessarily go together. I find it unlikely that anybody who supports Trump would deny it over the phone (of all scenarios.) Trump voters are vocal in their support to say the least.
2) I find a "Quiet Hillary supporter" much more likely in this election. Given the numerous highly regarded Republicans who have come out against Trump, I'd imagine many registered conservatives feel the same way. Not everybody is going to come out of the closet like Flagg did and post about it publicly. But once they are behind the curtains voting, I'd be a large block swing for Hillary simply because it's the rational choice.
Polling averages have Trump down again. His path to 270 could happen, but the probability is extremely low IMO. At this point, as stated prior, with early voting starting this may be what he's locked into. Another rambling debate performance Sunday and it's all over.
#1519 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
The Atlantic endorsed Hillary Clinton for president on Wednesday, marking the magazine’s third presidential endorsement in its 159-year history.
The magazine’s editors said they were motivated to make the endorsement because Donald Trump is perhaps “the most ostentatiously unqualified major-party candidate in the 227-year history of the American presidency.”
“We are confident that [Clinton] understands the role of the United States in the world; we have no doubt that she will apply herself assiduously to the problems confronting this country; and she has demonstrated an aptitude for analysis and hard work,” reads the endorsement. “Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself.”
The magazine emphasized that the decision to endorse came not because of Clinton’s qualifications but because of Trump’s lack thereof.
“If Hillary Clinton were facing Mitt Romney, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or, for that matter, any of the leading candidates Trump vanquished in the Republican primaries, we would not have contemplated making this endorsement,” the editors wrote.
The Washington, D.C.-based publication previously endorsed Abraham Lincoln in 1860 and Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. Both men were successful in their presidential bids.
The Atlantic is the latest in a string of publications to make high-profile endorsements this election cycle, all of them in reaction to the possibility of a Trump presidency.
Last week, USA Today ? one of the nation’s most popular newspapers ? took a stand on the race for the first time in its history, calling on readers to vote against Trump.
“Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue,” read the editorial. “By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump.”
The Arizona Republic and the Cincinnati Enquirer both endorsed Clinton, breaking century-long streaks by both newspapers of only endorsing Republicans. The Dallas Morning News has also endorsed the former secretary of state, making her the first Democratic candidate backed by that paper since World War II. And while five daily newspapers have backed Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, no major ones have endorsed Trump.
#1520 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Clinton is a centrist, and will govern as one. In my opinion Obama is to the left of her, but not by that much. The notion that she won't be able to effectively govern is born from political bias and that's about it.
