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#1521 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 526 weeks ago
Does everyone here like Pence as a person? Seems rock solid.
He is an evangelical nut and vehemently anti gay to the point of hysteria. Sure he's mild mannered like good ole Huckabee, but he also governs from the bible, which I find deeply unAmerican.
If you're cool with that, then you'll be fine with Pence.
#1522 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
I was thinking about Flagg's post. It reminded me of the "quiet Trump supporter" theory when polling and why I think it's wrong. In fact I think it may be the exact opposite of that.
There are a couple of things that come to mind.
1) "Quiet" and "Trump supporter" don't necessarily go together. I find it unlikely that anybody who supports Trump would deny it over the phone (of all scenarios.) Trump voters are vocal in their support to say the least.
2) I find a "Quiet Hillary supporter" much more likely in this election. Given the numerous highly regarded Republicans who have come out against Trump, I'd imagine many registered conservatives feel the same way. Not everybody is going to come out of the closet like Flagg did and post about it publicly. But once they are behind the curtains voting, I'd be a large block swing for Hillary simply because it's the rational choice.
Polling averages have Trump down again. His path to 270 could happen, but the probability is extremely low IMO. At this point, as stated prior, with early voting starting this may be what he's locked into. Another rambling debate performance Sunday and it's all over.
#1523 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
The Atlantic endorsed Hillary Clinton for president on Wednesday, marking the magazine’s third presidential endorsement in its 159-year history.
The magazine’s editors said they were motivated to make the endorsement because Donald Trump is perhaps “the most ostentatiously unqualified major-party candidate in the 227-year history of the American presidency.”
“We are confident that [Clinton] understands the role of the United States in the world; we have no doubt that she will apply herself assiduously to the problems confronting this country; and she has demonstrated an aptitude for analysis and hard work,” reads the endorsement. “Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself.”
The magazine emphasized that the decision to endorse came not because of Clinton’s qualifications but because of Trump’s lack thereof.
“If Hillary Clinton were facing Mitt Romney, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or, for that matter, any of the leading candidates Trump vanquished in the Republican primaries, we would not have contemplated making this endorsement,” the editors wrote.
The Washington, D.C.-based publication previously endorsed Abraham Lincoln in 1860 and Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. Both men were successful in their presidential bids.
The Atlantic is the latest in a string of publications to make high-profile endorsements this election cycle, all of them in reaction to the possibility of a Trump presidency.
Last week, USA Today ? one of the nation’s most popular newspapers ? took a stand on the race for the first time in its history, calling on readers to vote against Trump.
“Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue,” read the editorial. “By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump.”
The Arizona Republic and the Cincinnati Enquirer both endorsed Clinton, breaking century-long streaks by both newspapers of only endorsing Republicans. The Dallas Morning News has also endorsed the former secretary of state, making her the first Democratic candidate backed by that paper since World War II. And while five daily newspapers have backed Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, no major ones have endorsed Trump.
#1524 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Clinton is a centrist, and will govern as one. In my opinion Obama is to the left of her, but not by that much. The notion that she won't be able to effectively govern is born from political bias and that's about it.
#1525 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Another Republican says adios....
Chairman Cuzzone:
We come together in political parties to magnify our influence. An organized representative institution can give weight to our will in ways we could not accomplish on our own. Working with others gives us power, but at the cost of constant, calculated compromise. No two people will agree on everything. There is no moral purity in politics.
If compromise is the key to healthy politics, how does one respond when compromise descends into complicity? To preserve a sense of our personal moral accountability we must each define boundaries. For those boundaries to have meaning we must have the courage to protect them, even when the cost is high.
Almost 30 years ago as a teenager in Texas, I attended my first county Republican convention. As a college student I met a young Rick Perry, fresh from his conversion to the GOP, as he was launching his first campaign for statewide office. Through Associated Republicans of Texas, I contributed and volunteered for business-friendly Republican state and local candidates.
From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent racists, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative: a tale of cowards.
Here in DuPage County, I’ve been a precinct committeeman since 2006. Door to door I’ve canvased my precinct in support of our candidates. Trudging through snow, using a drill to break the frozen ground, I posted signs for candidates on whom I pinned my hopes for better government. Among Illinois Republicans I found an organization that seemed to embody my hopes for the party nationally. Pragmatic, sensible and focused on solid government, it seemed like a GOP Jurassic Park, where the sensible, reliable Republicans of old still roamed the landscape.
At the national level, the delusions necessary to sustain our Cold War coalition were becoming dangerous long before Donald Trump arrived. From tax policy to climate change, we have found ourselves less at odds with philosophical rivals than with the fundamentals of math, science and objective reality.
The Iraq War, the financial meltdown, the utter failure of supply-side theory, climate denial, and our strange pursuit of theocratic legislation have all been troubling. Yet it seemed that America’s party of commerce, trade, and pragmatism might still have time to sober up. Remaining engaged in the party implied a contribution to that renaissance, an investment in hope. Donald Trump has put an end to that hope.
From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent racists, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative: a tale of cowards. Fearful people, convinced of our inadequacy, trembling before a world alight with imaginary threats, crave a demagogue. Neither party has ever elevated to this level a more toxic figure, one that calls forth the darkest elements of our national character.
With three decades invested in the Republican Party, there is a powerful temptation to shrug and soldier on. Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.
Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.
Watching Ronald Reagan as a boy, I recall how bold it was for him to declare ‘morning again’ in America. In a country menaced by Communism and burdened by a struggling economy, the audacity of Reagan’s optimism inspired a generation.
Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump’s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison. Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.
Our leaders’ compromise preserves their personal capital at our collective cost. Their refusal to dissent robs all Republicans of moral cover. Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump.
I will not contribute my name, my work or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the “good Nazis.”
I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My 30-year tenure as a Republican is over.
Sincerely,
Chris Ladd
Postscript: Needless to say, the response to the letter has been stunning and overwhelming. I want to express my gratitude to the people who have shared so many kind thoughts. It was my intention to reply to each of the emails I’ve received, but I was snowed under by late last night and they keep piling up.
Some of the warmest regards have come from right here in suburban Chicago. When I posted this letter I was prepared to face some anger here at home from fellow Republicans. Nothing of the kind has materialized. The only official response from the local GOP so far has been support, for which I am immensely grateful. It gives me hope. We may all come out of this debacle in better condition.
#1526 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Cramer wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Gambler?
Cars, stocks, real estate...
Edit: Although I did win $580 on penny slots a couple of months ago. Two bucks in for the win!
Then why are you working? Take $2k and turn it into 8 million.
I am working...for myself and that's essentially what I do day in and day out. My money invested monthly/annually and then I work my conversions to reach a higher ROI. When I was younger I took much larger risks, leveraging large sums of money, but I also didn't really have anything to lose. I was never greedy, never lost my ass, and never had to declare bankruptcy.
Millions of Americans do this everyday, it doesn't mean you're special, just that you're willing to take risk.
I also didn't start out with a multi million dollar "loan" from my Daddy. I'd bet my overall % ROI is higher than Trumps once I think about it.
#1527 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
#1528 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Fat bottom girls make the rockin world go round.
I only saw her face, and she seemed really smart, but a big round booty never hurt anybody either.
#1529 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Cramer wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I'll ask again, how many people here think they could take a dollar and turn it into $1000? $100?
I do, and I have plenty of times.
Gambler?
Cars, stocks, real estate...
Edit: Although I did win $580 on penny slots a couple of months ago. Two bucks in for the win!
#1530 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 527 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Tim Kaine is very rude and a hot head.
Mike Pence is really enjoyable to listen too.
Kaine really is talking like such a poser. Pence speaks with conviction.
I think Pence should be the actual president.
I didn't watch it all...
I fell asleep half way through.
Moderator was beautiful though. I'm surprised SG hasn't said he would nail her yet...
