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#1541 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:I think you guys are still missing the point completely. I haven't seen anyone say trump is the ideal candidate. He's necessary to get us where we need to be.
It's kind of hard to get your point though, you keep asserting things but rarely back them up with reasoning and arguments. Can you explain why Trump 'is necessary to get us where we need to be' and where exactly you think that is?
I've said it several times in this thread alone. Read up.
#1542 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
I think you guys are still missing the point completely. I haven't seen anyone say trump is the ideal candidate. He's necessary to get us where we need to be.
#1543 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:No, you stopped reading and got defensive. There's no reason to go on with this with you.
So that's not what he said? I'm so confused. Of course I stopped reading. The first paragraph was so full of shit that I had zero interest in anything else he had to say, and I'm not even a Trump supporter.
I'm all for anyone that is going to fuck over the establishment because frankly the establishment has been fucking over all of us for years and I see a bunch of you begging for more.
You stopped reading when they described Trump to a T. Yeah I think he's going to cause a lot of problems with executive power over his own petty, vindictive nonsense.
I agree with you that we need an outsider, a wealthy one, just not Trump. Bloomberg was the guy.
Trump and every single other person in the race. The problems you forsee are already happening, so again I don't get the hate for trump.
#1544 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
Also his plan to tax Chinese imports would do incredible damage to the economy and, again, average Americans, and businesses as well.
By possibly having manufacturing jobs coming back to the US? That's bad for the average American?
#1545 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
To name two things, Trump 's tax plan and health care plans hurt the middle and lower classes, leave many millions uninsured again and add trillions to our debt. Google them if you want. I don't have the links handy.
So Obamacare is good for the middle and lower classes? That's a big fat no. Higher premiums/higher deductibles. Great job.
If you're worried about taxes, I hope to God you're not voting in free for all Bernie.
#1546 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:What's worrying about Trump is his unpredictability, his disregard for any boundary between truth and self-serving fiction, and his unbridled narcissism.
misterID wrote:That's not what he said at all. Trump will abuse his presidential powers to settle vendettas. My opinion, he'd be impeached. No telling what would go on with Christie in his cabinet who has his own issues of abuse of power. He has shown no filter or self control.
That appears to be exactly what he said. Obama btw is setting the world on fire using the agencies against his enemies. Clinton just had them killed.
No, you stopped reading and got defensive. There's no reason to go on with this with you.
So that's not what he said? I'm so confused. Of course I stopped reading. The first paragraph was so full of shit that I had zero interest in anything else he had to say, and I'm not even a Trump supporter.
I'm all for anyone that is going to fuck over the establishment because frankly the establishment has been fucking over all of us for years and I see a bunch of you begging for more.
#1547 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Why are we afraid of trump? To me, what's attractive about him is the fact that the establishment is so scared of him, and it's not because he's going to start ww3. What are they really afraid of?
You know, had Trump ran more of a rational, businessman, The Apprentice Boardroom style of campaign I would have supported him to a good extent. Possibly even voted for him. But the way he's run this reckless campaign is just shocking!!
What's worse, it's all a schtick. He's not some Conservative Republican at all?! He's a liberal New Yorker just saying whatever it takes at this point. I truly believe he first entered the campaign in the summertime to ruin Jeb Bush. I think he really hated the Bush's & Dick Cheneys. I think his sole purpose was going to be just to attack him. Then when his campaign started gaining traction & support his ego kicked in & now he wants this. He's just flailing at the wind & saying whatever he wants or needs to say ("Build a wall between US & Mexico & make Mexico build it"??) and just continues on. I just think he's gotten too far off track & it's more of a mockery of a Presidential campaign than a real one. Again, had he been more of 'the smartest guy in the room' I would've had more interest in his appeal as not another politician, and I think he could have and suceeded. Somewhere tho, his ego got off track. But hey, he's still winning. I heard his son on the radio on an interview, as part of his campaign. And strangely he still sounded very straight on this. As if it hadn't reached any point of absurdity on the family name. Not sure if his daughter Ivanka's been interviewed much recently, I'd be curious as to her thoughts on it, and if she believes deep down this has gone too far.
To me, if Trump kills it today, he's gotta reel it back in. Tone it down & become the sucessful businessman/boardroom guy again. Otherwise, it's Jerry Springer.
Ask Perot how the straight businessman approach works. It had to be someone pulling a Trump. I said that numerous pages ago. Nice doesn't bring change. Nice doesn't get people fired up. It had to be this way; there was no other way to get to where the establishment was in trouble.
#1548 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
What's worrying about Trump is his unpredictability, his disregard for any boundary between truth and self-serving fiction, and his unbridled narcissism.
That's not what he said at all. Trump will abuse his presidential powers to settle vendettas. My opinion, he'd be impeached. No telling what would go on with Christie in his cabinet who has his own issues of abuse of power. He has shown no filter or self control.
That appears to be exactly what he said. Obama btw is setting the world on fire using the agencies against his enemies. Clinton just had them killed.
#1549 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
I stopped reading after the first paragraph. If his assessment is that he's the only politician that lies and is narcissistic, he needs to start doing more research before writing. They ALL lie. Every one of them. They all have egos. Every one of them. You don't get to the national level in either party without being full of yourself, telling lies that you probably believe to be true because you've told them for so long, and most importantly toeing the company line.
#1550 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 530 weeks ago
Why are we afraid of trump? To me, what's attractive about him is the fact that the establishment is so scared of him, and it's not because he's going to start ww3. What are they really afraid of?
