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#1551 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 363 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Trump deserves a LOT of legit criticism, but the chicken little stuff is annoying.


That’s all they have because their policy proposals are trash and straight from the minds of a college student. I’m sure Mitch will prove me wrong an attempt to explain why free healthcare and college are plausible ideas.

#1552 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 363 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Trump only cares about rules when they benefit him. Same with the constitution. Which is something he refers to only when it benefits him.

I wish everyone could pick and choose when the rules matter.


Isn’t this your entire schtick?

#1553 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 363 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
misterID wrote:

Then he failed on all counts. He recommended the Congress take care of it, but there was nothing to go on. You can't impeach someone based on "maybe he" or "he probably" so he's not helping the people who actually *want* to impeach him.

Muellers a lifelong Republican, so he was never in it to "help out" the people who want to impeach.

I’m not participating in the larger discussion, but this is a copout. Mueller was nothing but a professional. He’s the standard by which all honorable public servants should emulate. The guy didn’t seek the adoration of the press and elite who called him “our last safeguard of democracy”.  He kept his mouth shut and did the work. To even suggest he allowed personal political affiliation to influence his work, despite a President who admonished him publicly, and politicians and pundits who fabricated his words and thoughts, is to dishonor and discredit his exemplary handling of this investigation. That’s not cool.

Everyone wanted Mueller to reach a clear verdict. On collusion, the justification for the entire spectacle, Mueller did reach that verdict. And he contrasted that finality with the ambiguity of Obstruction charges.

The idea that a sitting President isn’t capable of being indicted isn’t new or novel. It’s the same standard that was followed when Starr determined Clinton had objectively committed perjury, but couldn’t indict. It’s only deficiency is that it hasn’t been affirmed in writing by the Supreme Court. Just like giving birthright citizenship to anchor babies hasn’t been affirmed by SCOTUS; everyone just assumes it.

Mueller didn’t opine officially on obstruction, but as he made clear today, he can’t say “no evidence exists  to support this allegation” like he can with conspiracy to collude. Mueller also refused to take questions and warned Congress (House Democrats) he won’t testify on anything outside of the written report - something CNN and other outlets are ignoring. You and everyone else can speculate whether unique presidential authority via oversight and DoJ policy against indictment is all that stands between Trump and indictment - I’m done with that discussion. But Mueller made it clear he couldn’t make that decision based on reality, and reaffirmed the reality Congress alone has the authority to remove a President.

But we all know impeachment won’t happen because the Senate will never vote 67 in favor. And House leadership is cognizant of the dangers in pursuing a failed impeachment that could harm their success in 2020.

There’s great irony in potentially seeing Trump impeached for the exact same charges Congress brought against Clinton and acquitted him for. 20 years later no less. I guess the comparisons between the two now extends beyond lifestyle and policy.

#1554 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 363 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

I’m on book 2. It’s a very slow buildup to where it is going, I assume, based on the series.

Somehow, the battles in book 1 were more exciting to read than watch.

Lol, because the show knocked Tyrion out for the entire battle to save money.

#1555 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 363 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

He walked into the hall next to Jamie. He dropped off a window sill outside in the snow.

Agreed with Cat. I wasn't expecting that. She's far more shrewd here. Worrying about Jon making a claim also.

Her concerns about Jon manifest all throughout the story. One of the threads I’m excited to see play out when Martin finally puts out TWOW.

#1556 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 363 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Reading book one now and already like it better. I will say they did a good job with the first episode of the series in the adaption, but I would guess Martin was heavily involved in the writing.

Tyrion should not have been introduced in the brothel, imo. I like his interaction with Ghost and Jon better.


Doesn’t he enter the great hall doing cartwheels?

My least favorite change from book to show this early was the show having Ned want to go to King’s landing and Cat asking him to stay. Her desire for power and Ned’s status at hand added layers of complexity the show didn’t capture.

#1557 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 364 weeks ago

To me it all depends on two factors. Can the Democrats unite around a moderate candidate, and can Trump go another 18 months with a good economy and no real scandals. Collusion’s already been forgotten and now it’s trying to create a narrative on obstruction from the Mueller report or the debate between the House and the Executive. I don’t see either opinion swaying voters from their current position.

If the Democrats can nominate a non-divisive candidate, you can easily get voters out, and more votes means a Democratic winner.

I think Biden is their best bet in defeating Trump. Sanders is a coin toss at best, because he’s going to solidify any moderate and conservative to Trump on policy. Florida’s governor race last year shows a Sanders doesn’t do well against a Trump.

But Biden has enormous baggage, and the party can’t survive if the AOC branch of the party labels Biden a bigot and goes to a protest vote. I don’t think Pelosi and Schumer can keep their base in line, after Harris and Warren get desperate and draw first blood using Twitter mindsets. Clinton couldn’t unite the party, I hope Biden can.

#1558 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 364 weeks ago

So overall, I loved the series. It’s the greatest series to ever grace television. And I mean that considering all factors, not just the story and acting; the cinematography, the diverse and numerous ensemble cast, the MUSICAL SCORE, the complexity of the story and collective engagement with the fan base. No one was writing countless hours of theories and  debating on how Breaking Bad or the Sopranos would end.

No other show had people evaluating every line of dialogue to find deeper meaning. Is there another television thread on any show as large as a GoT thread on any other forum you peruse?  Just look at Reddit. This show spoke to people and gave them a connection with millions of others like no other.

Was it perfect in every sense?  Of course not. There were many times where they stumbled. Dorne being the greatest example of this. But the reality is Martin went off the rails in book 4 and 5, and made it impossible to capture his sudden expansion as faithfully for television. This hurt storylines they couldn’t follow and affected later material. Book 3 ends with Tyrion killing Tywin. The show took over half its episode count to get us there. Book 5 ends with Cersei’s walk of shame, Jon being stabbed, and Dany flying off on Drogon for the first time. Sansa is in the Vale just recently escaping Joffrey’s wedding, and Arya has just regained her eyesight with the Faceless Men. Bran has just started training with the 3 eyed raven.

Everything that happened after these moments on the show were done by D&D. They took book 4 and 5 and essentially condensed all of that into Season 5. So a lot of things had to get cut since they condensed the two largest books into one season.  Martin has had 8 years and hasn’t figured out how to get all his characters back to Westeros in The Winds of Winter, let alone with the 3 extra players in the Game the show never included.

So yes, they took short cuts.  And yes that made some plot threads never materialize to the expectation we built up. We’ve (Me at least) spent countless hours watching videos and reading complex and detailed theories on the book’s (and show’s) ending. We had expectations that weren’t met, but we didn’t give other great shows like Breaking Bad or The Sopranos the same scrutiny.

The seeds of Dany being less than altruistic was apparent from the start. She hatched fucking dragons in the desert after being abandoned by everyone whom had worshipped her just day’s before. She was going to be the mother of the Great Kahl, then lost her husband and child. So she hatches fucking dragons in the middle of the desert with not a penny to her name, to conquering 4 cities and amassing an army before even getting to Westeros. She’s called “Mysha” by the slaves she freed, and told by the priests of Rh’llor that she’s the savior of mankind. She then defeats the Army of the dead and defeats the family who murdered her father and took their home from.

She’s always threatened to burn those who defy her position as the breaker of chains. She’d been stopped from doing so by Jorah and Selmy in Essos. And Tyrion stayed her hand once in Mereen after she came back with the Dothraki. He stayed her hand when they sailed to Westeros. Remember Olenna Tyrell telling her to “be a dragon”? He stayed her hand when Euron attacked her fleet. He stayed her hand after the failed attack at Casterly Rock, which resulted in her just burning the Lannister Army. He stayed her hand after Cersei refused to bend the knee after their meeting in the Dragon Pit with the wight. He stopped her from roasting King’s Landing after The Long Night, and he stayed her hand after they killed Rhaegal.  That’s seven times Tyrion stopped Dany from nuking King’s Landing before she finally did.

“Out of nowhere” my ass. People just weren’t paying attention.

I wish some things were done differently, but this was a fucking masterpiece.

#1559 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 364 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Hannity must be on vacation, Flagg hasn't posted in a while.:o

/burn

Nope. Just no longer interested in posting and reading the same messages after 2 years.

Nothing I Post is going to alter the discussion or opinion of anyone else. So why bother?

You and the other two will call me a Trumpkin and say I parrot Fox News. You’ll post inaccurate and false claims, ignore my posts when I explain why you’re wrong, Mitch will shitpost and scream “MAGA” every 3 posts, and the truther will pop in every 3 weeks and tell us he’s finally figured it out. Smoking Guns will justify his vote for Trump and talk about the fed and interest rates, Buzz will talk about healthcare and how all of you are hypocrites for bitching about “this” action but remained silent or supported “that” action. I’ll post entirely too long blog entries on my phone that no one cares to read.

It’s the same bullshit for over 2 years. Thanks, but no thanks.

#1560 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 364 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

How did Cersei's prophecy get fulfilled?

Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

Valonqar is "little brother" in the old tongue

That’s from the books. The show didn’t mention the valonqar prophecy in the flashback.

https://youtu.be/FwHGNoMjHn8

She also kills the girl that was with her in the books to hide the prophecy.

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