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#1561 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 532 weeks ago
If there was a white lives matter organization, people would throw a fucking fit. If they said some of the things black lives matter says, people would throw a fucking fit. That's as racist of a group that there is, but because they are black, they are given a pass and even embraced by a black president.
This isn't the 50s. As far as I know the kkk isn't hanging people. They are outspoken about their beliefs as uncivilized as those beliefs might be. Kind of like blm. Being black doesn't make it ok to be a racist.
#1562 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 532 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:bigbri wrote:You do know the constant vilification of him by the GOP contributed to that, right?
Besides, the question I asked in all seriousness, is how do I look past the hate?
And you are ok with the blatant hate coming along for the ride?
Did you miss the I'm not a trump supporter part?
Obama embraced black lives matter. That group doesn't hate? There's a lot of hate to go around. On all sides.
What we need is a uniter, not another divider (though in the opposite direction). That person isn't on the political radar.
Yes, I read that, but you said you are glad someone is shaking things up. The dude doing the shaking is Trump. That's the problem.
And Black Lives Matter and white supremacists are not the same thing, nor is Obama and Trump. You've proven yourself over the years to be a smart guy, I know you know the difference.
I think they are way more alike than you think. Look into black lives matter a little more. You might be surprised.
#1563 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 532 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:bigbri wrote:You do know the constant vilification of him by the GOP contributed to that, right?
Besides, the question I asked in all seriousness, is how do I look past the hate?
And you are ok with the blatant hate coming along for the ride?
I would like him to take a stand against the nasty stuff that goes down at his rallies.
He won't. He ENCOURAGES it. That's sick, wouldn't you agree? How would he use the CIA, the FBI or the Secret Service against people?
Probably the same way Obama does. It's not a good environment we are in.
#1564 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 532 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:You think we're not divided now? The great Obama has done more to divide this country than any president that I can remember. Trump exists politically as a response to what's going on now.
I'm not a trump supporter btw. But I b do understand why we're where we are at. People are finally getting fed up. This is a good thing. I wish it had a better face right now, but regardless I'm glad someone is shaking things up.
You do know the constant vilification of him by the GOP contributed to that, right?
Besides, the question I asked in all seriousness, is how do I look past the hate?
And you are ok with the blatant hate coming along for the ride?
Did you miss the I'm not a trump supporter part?
Obama embraced black lives matter. That group doesn't hate? There's a lot of hate to go around. On all sides.
What we need is a uniter, not another divider (though in the opposite direction). That person isn't on the political radar.
#1565 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 532 weeks ago
You think we're not divided now? The great Obama has done more to divide this country than any president that I can remember. Trump exists politically as a response to what's going on now.
I'm not a trump supporter btw. But I b do understand why we're where we are at. People are finally getting fed up. This is a good thing. I wish it had a better face right now, but regardless I'm glad someone is shaking things up.
#1566 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
So be it. Have the people that need them petition to have the laws adapted. I have no tolerance for the crap that's been going on for decades and I certainly have no interest in giving them a pass for breaking the law.
#1567 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
More of their money goes back to Mexico than gets spent here. That's why they have multiple families living together. Live here cheap, send all the money to Mexico. Again, there are legal means for coming here...follow them. If they need to be adjusted for migrant farm workers, adjust them. The illegals drain the economy more than their cheap labor helps it.
#1568 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
I do. Send all their asses home. It can't be more expensive than keeping them here. There's a legal way to enter the country. Follow it.
#1569 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:If all the shit Hilary has done so far hasn't scared people off, she could pretty much kill someone on national TV and gain votes.
The rest of the country doesn't reside in the far right wing bubble. While some accusations have merit, the rest is unsubstantiated (after 13 investigations for instance) and hyperbolic hysteria served up to the right wing base. It works for that core constituency, but not for everybody else. Sometimes I wish Republicans would just turn off the media for a while, then honestly ask themselves if it's possible for every Democratic leader to be so inherently evil/dishonest/dismissive of the COTUS. Or if perhaps they're being whipped into a frenzy by an unending GOP media m machine. Any message wrapped in fear, or has the sole purpose of making you angry/afraid, should make you question the messenger(s.)
I'm not a Republican nor do I watch any of the network news channels with the exception of CNN if some major event is happening. Even if only half of it is true, the email situation alone should disqualify her. How the hell can she do that, and then be trusted?
I've said this a gazillion times here. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Nobody is representing me. I'll get excited about voting as soon as someone that does actually has a chance. Until then, all these idiots that don't care about you on both sides can blow me. They all suck, so they may as well do what they are best at.
#1570 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
If all the shit Hilary has done so far hasn't scared people off, she could pretty much kill someone on national TV and gain votes.
