buzzsaw wrote:

We need someone to disrupt what we've had. Ideally it would be someone good, but we got trump instead.

Are you voting for him if it comes down to Trump/Hilldog?

What about those of you who are democrats, but can't stand Hillary? Are you voting Trump, staying home or biting the bullet and go with another Clinton just to keep the Donald out?

misterID wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

I was poor and white.  These jobs aren't meant to be a career, they are meant to train you skills to do bigger and better things.  If people choose not to work hard and learn as they go, that has nothing to do with being poor, or of any decent.  That's a personal choice.  Everyone has an opportunity to get out of poor, but not many choose to put in the effort necessary to do it.

Entry level/minimum wage isn't a life sentence unless you decide it is.

These arguments are pointless with people who think it's all a level playing field for everyone. Not everyone has the same opportunity. A kid in the ghetto or the Appalachians do not have the same opportunities as everyone else. Some people work two or three jobs, so it's not about hard work. They don't have the availability of good jobs to move up.  It's stinkin thinkin.

These arguments are also pointless with people who are completely unaware that we're all quite different. Something may be obvious to us, but may never dawn on somebody else. We are all guilty of this to a degree We assume that people make choices/decisions as we might, and then we're perplexed why they "didn't just do X, rather than Y." We often apply our line of thinking to others, and are confused when they don't respond how we'd like them to.

In addition, life is hard. Period. It requires hard work, but it also requires luck. Many people don't like to admit this (especially when they're up) but it's the truth.

No two people are the same. No life story is the same. Conservatives argue from a purely black/white position, which makes it easy to call people lazy, unmotivated, "entitled" and so on. Some people can "work out of poor" while others never will be able to escape. Poverty is extremely complex, soul crushing and hopeless. It's certainly not a one size fits all solution.

Such is the way of the conservative mind. In my opinion, it's just another excuse to act like a selfish and ungrateful jerk, lacking any sense of empathy for their fellow American citizens. This is the new America, devoid of compassion and eager to beat up on the least among us. I'm so sick of hearing this shit...